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sunshaker
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Message 16 of 47 (677116)
10-26-2012 8:48 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by Alfred Maddenstein
10-26-2012 8:07 AM


Once you realise, it no longer matters, everything as a place, without one piece you have an incomplete picture. that includes dragons, zeus, blackholes, felines, and my noisey neighbours.
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NoNukes
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Message 17 of 47 (677120)
10-26-2012 9:15 PM
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10-26-2012 8:35 PM


"Edge"
Modern cosmology may not recognize an "edge" but nasa says "galatic city at edge of universe"

The article in question refers to a cluster of galaxies at about 12.6 billion years away from earth. The cluster of galaxies is only near the limit for light travel to earthlings, martians, and our fellow Milky Wayans based on the time since the universe started. NASA is not claiming the cluster to be near any physical boundary.

Let's attempt to avoid equivocation arguments that can result from simply doing word searches using google or bing.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison.

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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Message 18 of 47 (677128)
10-27-2012 12:12 AM
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10-26-2012 9:15 PM


Re: "Edge"
You contradict yourself, Nuke. You claim no edge in one sentence but in the other you state "based on the time since the Universe started". To be able to start implies finite limits, borders, edges, etc, necessarily. Only a finite object with borders and surface can start. A car can start as it is such an object. Do you claim the Universe is such an object? To start as the Universe implies to initiate all motion of all objects in existence all at once. That is logically impossible and is right against the first law of thermodynamics. Impossible and irrational proposition. The motion is being conserved only by that law, not ever started, finished, destroyed or created.

Edited by Alfred Maddenstein, : No reason given.


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Message 19 of 47 (677130)
10-27-2012 12:29 AM
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10-26-2012 8:35 PM


Re: black holes drive expansion of universe
The further away, younger the stars is a failed prediction only. Mature galaxies with metal rich decrepit stars are being observed in droves eight, ten billion light years away from here.
More of them will be found there when the next generation of telescopes arrives. The older ones are just dimmer and not less present at all.
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sunshaker
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Message 20 of 47 (677137)
10-27-2012 6:48 AM
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10-26-2012 9:15 PM


Re: "Edge"
It seems that you are one of the diminishing few that cannot comprehend an "Edge" to our universe, with my theory there is an edge, And that edge is covered with vortexs where the "LOWER DIMENSIONAL SPACE" is rushing in to "our expanding universe" varying size black holes distribute this space+The higher dimensional materials through out our universe.
There are also many theories of multiverses and branes, how can you have "multiverses" or "branes" without borders or edges?

There will be fewer galaxies and stars towards the "edge" due to the expansion and the now less dense higher materials and energies to be swept along these vortexs (black holes).
But more vortexs (blackholes) and gamma ray bursts still depositing these materials and energies,
But not in such large amounts, as in the early denser universe.

The edge will be far beyond the last seeable galaxies but the vortexs will give away the edges.

Perhaps like many here i do not have to google everything, it is either saved to my computer or in my head or shock horror "books", but still google is a tool and if we what to advance ourselfs we use all "tools" available.


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Larni
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Message 21 of 47 (677148)
10-27-2012 9:50 AM
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10-27-2012 6:48 AM


Re: "Edge"
You do not have a theory.

You have an unsupported hypothesis.


The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53

The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286

Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134


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sunshaker
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Message 22 of 47 (677164)
10-27-2012 4:45 PM
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10-27-2012 9:50 AM


Re: "Edge"
To tell the truth i do not care if it's a theory, idea, or an unsupported hypothesis, i have read some interesting "ideas" from people in forums only to watch them shot done by those who cannot see past a mere "word" which as nothing to do with the actual content,
As you know it is not easy for everyone to put there thoughts to typed word.
Tell me what cannot fit from my hypothesis with what we know today, so i may better understand how others perceive this unsupported hypothesis.
And yes i am one of those who find it hard to put there thoughts to type.
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NoNukes
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Message 23 of 47 (677171)
10-27-2012 5:48 PM
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10-27-2012 6:48 AM


Re: "Edge"
It seems that you are one of the diminishing few that cannot comprehend an "Edge" to our universe,

I didn't make any comment about whether the universe was bounded or not. I simply pointed out that your link did not deal with the question.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison.

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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Larni
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Message 24 of 47 (677224)
10-28-2012 4:28 AM
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10-27-2012 4:45 PM


Re: "Edge"
Then you should be able to demonstrate these higher and lower dimensions.

If you can't what does that tell you?


The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53

The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286

Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134


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sunshaker
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Message 25 of 47 (677225)
10-28-2012 6:58 AM
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10-28-2012 4:28 AM


Re: "Edge"
Dark matter 84% of matter in universe-23% of the mass energy.
Dark energy 73% of total energy in universe, these are the less dense higher dimensioal energies that make up the lattice.

The atoms in stars planets and us etc 4% of mass in universe, these were the heavier higher dimensional materials that collected in gravity troughs. And are still being deposited through out our universe.

This is all higher dimensional materials-energies expanding in this lower dimension.

Or do we just go along calling it DARK something because no one really knows. Or is it that only scientists who really have no idea what dark matter or dark energy is, what makes up the majority of our universe can give the name "DARK" and everyone goes along like sheep.

The lower dimension that we are expanding in, is drawn into our universe forcing its way through, breaking down the higher dimensional materials and energies.


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Message 26 of 47 (677226)
10-28-2012 7:22 AM
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10-26-2012 8:35 PM


Journey To The Center Of The Mind
Maybe after a super nova we should check nearby black holes or look for gamma ray bursts.
What will we be looking for?

After answering that, tell me why we want to find this place/thing

Or do we just go along calling it DARK something because no one really knows. Or is it that only scientists who really have no idea what dark matter or dark energy is, what makes up the majority of our universe can give the name "DARK" and everyone goes along like sheep.
We could always call it Dark Shadows

As for sheep, they have to follow something. Im more interested in the Shepherds state of mind. In the Faith/Belief forum, I can speculate where He is leading us, but in a science forum I am still questioning what it is we are looking for. Any ideas?

still havent found what im looking for

Edited by Phat, : added light to search yonder shadows


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Larni
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Message 27 of 47 (677241)
10-28-2012 12:31 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by sunshaker
10-28-2012 6:58 AM


Re: "Edge"
So you can't demonstrate what these dimensions are; you can only make unevidenced assertions.

What a surprise.


The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53

The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286

Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134


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sunshaker
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Message 28 of 47 (677263)
10-28-2012 6:21 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by Phat
10-28-2012 7:22 AM


Re: Journey To The Center Of The Mind
After a super nova, that area of the lattice(dark energy) will be inflated, like blowing up a ballon under water,
Once you stop blowing, the presure of the water will push the air out of the ballon,
Once the super nova runs out of puff the surrounding space (lattice) will pull back in on its self, forcing the energies from the super nova to be expelled through a vortex (black hole) to different areas of the galaxy or universe, this we will see as a gamma ray burst or expelled through a nearby black hole.
We are now aware of many super nova, we also record many gamma ray bursts.
I have read where scientists have been surprised,
while looking at super nova or super nova remanant they have seen a close by gamma ray burst emmitting massive energies.

I have found what i was not looking for, to me this is just a tiny part of what i now see. And it works on so many levels.
I spent many years in solitude, afraid of how i was now seeing and interacting with this reality,
for many years i did not know if i had died, i could see things which were beyond "science", i watched impossible things happening around me which would be nearer to magic or science beyond what we now possess.
I read all i could on the brain and how we each create the reality we see. but i knew it was not mental.
I now life a life full wonder, magic and connections, but it as taken much away, i am no longer able to relate on the human level,
The world is not the world i once thought i knew.
This is why i write down these few thoughts on the Alpha -Omega, to take my thoughts away from the bigger picture i see and our place in that picture.

I may not be the best at putting my thoughts to type, so i will always be having to defend what i know to be true, so this will be my last post, my "life" now takes me on journeys i never imagined possible a new path of exsistance.

THE TRUTH IS SIMPLE

Thank you and goodbye.


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Message 29 of 47 (677266)
10-28-2012 6:34 PM
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10-28-2012 6:21 PM


Re: Journey To The Center Of The Mind
Last time you were here marketing the Black Hole Universes did you learn anything?

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 30 of 47 (677267)
10-28-2012 7:09 PM
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10-28-2012 6:21 PM


Re: Journey To The Center Of The Mind
I have read where scientists have been surprised, while looking at super nova or super nova remanant they have seen a close by gamma ray burst emmitting massive energies.

Could you provide a pointer to a reference from which I might read about this?


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison.

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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