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PaulK
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Message 526 of 615 (803551)
04-02-2017 2:32 AM
Reply to: Message 525 by LamarkNewAge
04-02-2017 2:14 AM


Re: I noted MOD disapproval of me but that wasn't my point of the above post.
Then you missed the point of MY post. Complaining here is a foolish waste of time when the fault is yours and the solution is to rectify that fault.
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Message 527 of 615 (803553)
04-02-2017 2:41 AM
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04-02-2017 2:32 AM


Re: I noted MOD disapproval of me but that wasn't my point of the above post.
I was (if you insist ) "complaining " about how the 800 post thread is missing the largest point of all: Faith thinks homosexual marriage is just some new issue to attack Christianity and the western civilization. Not to take away the other discussions but to insist on a focused discussion that takes the issue of historical ignorance into account.
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Message 528 of 615 (803555)
04-02-2017 2:50 AM
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04-02-2017 2:41 AM


Re: I noted MOD disapproval of me but that wasn't my point of the above post.
You weren't complaining about the existing thread. You were complaining that your new thread hadn't been approved. And it wasn't approved because of the glaring problems with the initial post.
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LamarkNewAge
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Message 529 of 615 (803567)
04-02-2017 5:52 AM
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04-02-2017 2:50 AM


Re: I noted MOD disapproval of me but that wasn't my point of the above post.
I am now thinking my suggestion was a bad one. I researched and found that the Ancient Greek unions are not legally considered marriages so there will be a definition argument that will go nowhere. The Roman precedents will be quibbled over too. I don't see any solution at this impase. I concede the point and am ashamed that I seem to have posted so much in this thread HERE. I was responding to you PaulK and lost track of what I was doing here. I didn't mean to take debate here but it does look like it.
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Faith
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Message 530 of 615 (804458)
04-09-2017 9:01 PM


LamarkNewAge
Phat closed the Gay Marriage thread. I'm not exactly complaining about that but I've been having a terrific problem with LamarkNewAge on that thread for days that I was finally taking on and THEN the thread gets closed. NO, I don't want it reopened but I'd like to try to describe what's been going on there.

In message 1016 he said

I asked a question.

What question? He never explains what he means.

{He often says I'm "ignoring" this or that as if I have some reason to ignore it, that is, he ACCUSES me of this as some kind of misbehavior, when if I DID ignore it the reason would be that I can't make sense of most of what he says. Then he objects to THAT as if it isn't really true.

I didn't say you were a segregationist.

True, but what he did say was that somehow Alabama/Wallace represent my point of view about "Christian civilization." He directly misrepresented me as having the following opinion: "the "Christian civilization" that you feel the south superbly represents." It is a straight-out lie to say I "feel" anything of the sort. I've said NOTHING about the South at all, NOTHING, let alone that I think it "superbly represents" Christian civilization. LNA makes it all up. This has gone on for days now.

Finally Moose at least commented (in message 1007) that LNA isn't making much sense, but I've been having to endure days of his saying I said things I've never said.

He goes on with another bizarre statement:

You keep talking about how bad California is compared to the red states.

I searched "California" to see if there's anything I did say that he could have read this way. I found a post on another thread -- not even one mention on the Gay Marriage thread -- where I say I have liberal family who live in California, which, being a liberal state, explains why they are all liberal. I don't know if this is what he has in mind or not, but it's far from his statement that I "keep talking about how bad California is compared to the red states." What?

Then another incomprehensible misrepresentation:

You brought up the issue of anti-democracy ideologies.

He doesn't quote me, doesn't give a link, but these are not words I recall using. "Anti-democracy ideologies?" MAYBE I said something that vaguely fits the notion but he just says it flat out, implying I used those very words, and I haven't a clue what he means, but if I say that I'll get accused of something like not wanting to know.

This has to be the most crazy-making experience I've ever had with a debater. It's some kind of weird nightmare.

Then:

You keep saying how brave you are to dare to defend your "rights"

Lemme see. This COULD reflect comments I've made about how unpopular Christianity is these days? How popular gay marriage is? But is there a single statement anywhere that I've made that is fairly characterized as that I "keep saying how brave {I am to defend [my] rights?"

You keep making your arguments. I keep asking questions but my questions don't assume your loaded premises.

What does he mean by my "loaded premises?" I have NO clue. WHAT "loaded premises. And I don't even know what he means that I keep making arguments and he keeps asking questions.

I ask questions that have integrity because they are consistent with reality. I don't accept your prerequisites.

What questions? What "prerequisites?

You have lots of loaded premises that are innacurate IMO

But not a clue what those premises might be. I'm supposed to be a mind reader?

and my questions don't assume that you are morally superior nor do they assume you represent any of the founders of Christianity. That seems to be your beef.

What?

I never attacked you though. You attacked me multiple times.

What? Did I? Maybe I did, the problem is it's impossible to follow any of it.

It's hard to describe what this is that LNA does, that's why I'm quoting him directly. I don't know what to call this problem, it's just getting hard to take his imputing things to me I've never said or thought and accusing me of things I' don't recognize at all.

There is no way to have a conversation with LNA that I see. But whether I ignore him or try patiently to answer him the problem never stops.

I know comments here are to be brief but I don't know how to convey anything about this weird situation without doing it this way.

Is there any way to stop this?

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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LamarkNewAge
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Message 531 of 615 (804461)
04-09-2017 9:46 PM
Reply to: Message 530 by Faith
04-09-2017 9:01 PM


Re: me
I will stop talking to you so this can be dropped.

Also, it seems I DID say you told a "slick lie" in one post so I am sorry. (in my defense you kept ridiculing me as "making stuff up" when I was insisting that you disregard post-Easter commands as "ceremonial" and you really made it a point to hammer me as a liar when I kept asking you to explain yourself. THEN you used the very "ceremonial" argument once I pestered you enough to finally get your to engage the Acts 15 post-Easter issue )

Once you engaged the issue, instead of ignoring it, I really should not have described your earlier denials of using the "ceremonial" dismissal as a "slick lie". I guess I was just annoyed at being personally attacked as a liar when you were making me look dishonest for even suggesting you use "ceremonial" arguments for post-Easter commands.

Now I have to deal with my own past words that contradict what I want to claim (that being my claim of innocence in the personal attack area ).

Sorry.


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LamarkNewAge
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Message 532 of 615 (804470)
04-10-2017 12:36 AM
Reply to: Message 530 by Faith
04-09-2017 9:01 PM


Also I just noticed that the Alabama issue touched a few Mod's nerves
I am not trying to debate but just want to clarify so this isn't left hanging.

See posts 78, 116, 117, and especially 252 where Acts 5:19-29 was referenced as a parallel to these business owners situation. ( the discussion involved the possibility of a business owner running so afoul of the law that not only fines but prison punishments for refusing services were brought up as a consequence )

My reference to the Alabama motto Audemus Jura Nostra Defendere had to do with comments like that.

I wasn't saying race was the issue (in these cake cases )but I don't feel that the parallels were out of line as you have a case of a very conservative Christian culture feeling like THEIR rights were the ones violated and not those who were barred services.

I understand that the business owners want rights to suit their concerns.

However.

I don't see why I was seen as performing a procedure out of order jjust for raising the issue. (Faith seems really irritated by my request for her to respond to the parallel ) (that was when 3 mods jumped in )

If we don't discuss parallels then we aren't giving the general public a proper and full perspective.


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Message 533 of 615 (804536)
04-10-2017 9:20 PM
Reply to: Message 532 by LamarkNewAge
04-10-2017 12:36 AM


Re: Also I just noticed that the Alabama issue touched a few Mod's nerves
NOTE THE SUBTITLE.

This must be referring to my message 1007:

Adminnemooseus writes:

I have a lot of trouble even describing what I see wrong with your messages.

I definitely would not file them under "clear and concise". Maybe "cryptic and rambling"?

I wouldn't blame anyone for just ignoring your messages.

No replies in this topic. If you feel the need to reply (and I know you do), go to General Discussion Of Moderation Procedures (aka 'The Whine List').

Most to all of the previous messages (in "Report Discussion Problems Here 4.0"), by LamarkNewAge and others, do not belong in this "report problems" topic. As quoted above, LNA was given a very specific place to reply about moderation issues, which is not this topic.

LamarkNewAge suspended for 48 hours.

Adminnemooseus


Or something like that.

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Message 534 of 615 (804585)
04-11-2017 11:22 AM


Can we get some pushback on davidjay spamming us with links to his website. He needs to present all of his ridiculous arguments here rather than attempting to direct us to his site.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 535 of 615 (804600)
04-11-2017 2:08 PM
Reply to: Message 534 by Theodoric
04-11-2017 11:22 AM


an we get some pushback on davidjay spamming us with links to his website. He needs to present all of his ridiculous arguments here rather than attempting to direct us to his site.

I second that.

Additionally, he is basically playing wack-a-mole right now, bouncing from thread to thread repeating the same tired nonsense and providing no concrete evidence for his assertions.

He started his pious diatribe indicating he had 'mathematical proofs' for his views. Yet I have not seen one shred of math in any of his posts. And for the record, his website is nothing but vagueness and no substance either. So he needs to provide these proofs once and for all. The ranting is comical, but not really of any substance.


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Faith
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Message 536 of 615 (804734)
04-12-2017 10:17 PM


In case it was misunderstood, Message 530 was about a discussion problem, not a moderation problem. it may be taken care of now but getting it described wasn't easy so I hope someone will at least read it. Thanks.

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Faith
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Message 537 of 615 (805062)
04-15-2017 10:31 AM


Dr. A's endless meaningless insults
I'd suspect that Dr. Adequate gets away with more rules-breaking than anyone else on this forum. (jar is a close second). I just got pushed past my tolerance level with this post from the Evolution is a Racist Doctrine thread:

You are a silly little liar, aren't you?

For a while he was pretty much confining himself to accusing everybody of "making stuff up." He may believe this but I haven't seen any truth in any of it myself, and it's tiresome to click on a post title to encounter this kind of drivel (to use another of his favorite terms). I personally have a lot of problems just making sense out of Davidjay's posts, and I think he makes quite a few errors of fact, but being a liar isn't something I'd accuse him of.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 538 of 615 (805065)
04-15-2017 10:47 AM
Reply to: Message 537 by Faith
04-15-2017 10:31 AM


Re: Dr. A's endless meaningless insults
What else should I say to the fatuous little troll? He lies continuously, unconvincingly, and boringly.
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Message 539 of 615 (805079)
04-15-2017 11:51 AM
Reply to: Message 538 by Dr Adequate
04-15-2017 10:47 AM


Re: Dr. A's endless meaningless insults
You do have to stop. This is a debate site, not an insult site. People aren't liars here. They may be wrong or mistaken, but they're not liars. Calling someone a name is not rebuttal.

--Percy
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Message 540 of 615 (805082)
04-15-2017 11:58 AM
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04-15-2017 11:51 AM


Re: Dr. A's endless meaningless insults
There is no doubt that David Jay is a liar.

Some evidence is here Message 144


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