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Message 616 of 661 (819355)
09-09-2017 10:07 PM
Reply to: Message 615 by NoNukes
07-22-2017 12:48 AM


Re: Picture of the Month.
I understand that the picture of the month is a very low priority. EvC has had the same picture for years. But apparently, the free picture hosting site, Photobucket, has started charging. Meanwhile, they are serving up quite ugly ads for their services in lieu of showing the pictures.

Why not put the picture somewhere else, or host it natively?

Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I was thinking as long as I have my hands up theyre not going to shoot me. This is what Im thinking theyre not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey

We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.

Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith

I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith


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Message 617 of 661 (819370)
09-10-2017 7:44 AM
Reply to: Message 616 by NoNukes
09-09-2017 10:07 PM


Re: Picture of the Month.
Why not put the picture somewhere else, or host it natively?

Why not have an image upload facility so that images are always kept with posts. I am losing a lot of image links in old posts, first with ImageShack deleting my account and now with Photobucket heavy handedness.

Currently I'm putting pictures on my RAZD facebook account ... https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100005641488396

Also where I am talking with Palaeos folks.

... so a first place to put the EvC forum pictures would be the EvC facebook account ... if you don't go the upload route.

Enjoy

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Message 618 of 661 (819372)
09-10-2017 8:00 AM
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09-10-2017 7:44 AM


Re: Picture of the Month.
Hosting the photos locally is something I've wanted to do for a long time. I'll fix the homepage photo when I get a chance.

--Percy
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Message 619 of 661 (819491)
09-11-2017 6:40 PM
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09-10-2017 8:00 AM


Spam
Hey Admin

Some shady character snuck into the coffee house and is trying to pedal his wares. Message 1. How can we possibly tolerate such flagrant self promotion?!? I suggest that you break out the ban hammer and smote his ruin upon the anvil of your rigorous ethical code.

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Message 620 of 661 (819611)
09-13-2017 11:22 AM


Suggestion
It would make reading these threads a lot more pleasant if there were no accusations of "lying" and "dishonesty," etc. Its getting out of hand lately.

Pointing out where certain ideas are not supported by evidence should be good enough.


Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein

In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool

It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle

If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1

"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.

Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.


  
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Message 621 of 661 (819862)
09-14-2017 6:50 PM


Observation
I never debate with creationists. Thats a hopeless activity.

The Sensuous Curmudgeon

https://sensuouscurmudgeon.wordpress.com/...y-keeps-changing


Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein

In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool

It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle

If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1

"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.

Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.


  
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Message 622 of 661 (820339)
09-19-2017 11:41 AM
Reply to: Message 618 by Admin
09-10-2017 8:00 AM


Re: Picture of the Month.
Nice job on the picture. Brand new one too!

Thanks.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I was thinking as long as I have my hands up theyre not going to shoot me. This is what Im thinking theyre not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey

We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.

Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith

I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith


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Message 623 of 661 (827629)
01-28-2018 7:38 PM


Creation
Creation has just about expired his usefulness here.

His posts are running thin even for amusement value now.


Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein

In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool

It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle

If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1

"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.

Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.


  
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Message 624 of 661 (828607)
02-21-2018 4:00 PM


Why do we have so few creationists
So I read the rules, and I see:

quote:
Points should be supported with evidence and reasoned argumentation. Address rebuttals through the introduction of additional evidence or by enlarging upon the argument. Do not repeat previous points without further elaboration. Avoid bare assertions.

quote:
The sincerely held beliefs of other members deserve your respect. Please keep discussion civil. Argue the position, not the person.

And then you look at a thread like Evolution. We Have The Fossils. We Win.; and what we see is stuff like this:

It has been proven time after time after time and only your utter dishonesty and willful ignorance prevents your acknowledgement of the facts.

But you have said over and over that the bible supersedes any evidence that contradicts it. All of your claims are based on that one idea.

That belief prevents you from accepting any evidence that we present that goes against your a priori beliefs.

So you don't have to appeal to the bible in this thread as you have told us again and again where you are coming from.

That makes it pretty much a waste of time for us to present evidence to you, doesn't it?

Now, I can't help but feel that "We've already told you, you just refuse to listen" is flatly at odds with the idea of how debate is supposed to happen on this site; and yet that amounts for almost everything that's written.

Creationists, due to the fact that there are so few of them and their basic points are inherently flawed, deserve a bit of tolerance on the moderation front, otherwise a site like this cannot exist. Evolutionists have the advantage of numbers and reality, and so should be held to stricter standards (by which I simply mean the standards in the rules).

A post which introduces no new evidence and no new arguments; and accuses someone of lying, often in almost identical words as used many times before, is in clear and flagrant violation of the site's rules. There are very few rules, if these are not enforced, why are there any?

It strikes me that Faith has a fundamental misunderstanding of geology which I've been trying to get my head around. But no one seems interested in understanding what she misunderstands. It's just

Once again you are simply lying Faith and showing your utter ignorance.

over and over again.

My two cents.

ABE: 'no one seems interested' is unfair. 'Most do not seem interested' would have been better.

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Message 625 of 661 (828614)
02-21-2018 4:24 PM
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02-21-2018 4:00 PM


Sorry, remembered this thread is not for discussion
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Message 626 of 661 (828620)
02-21-2018 4:37 PM
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02-21-2018 4:00 PM


Re: Why do we have so few creationists
Of course the fact that Faith has a habit of conveniently forgetting evidence that contradicts her opinions, repeating refuted arguments, stating ridiculous falsehoods and accusing us of being biased just because we defeated her arguments.

Honest discussion with Faith is all but impossible. She will even decide she meant something other than she said to avoid admitting she was wrong. It gets pretty clear that she doesnt Have anything in mind for what she really meant, just that it isnt what was answered.

Can you blame people for not repeating the same refutations for the n-th time ?


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Message 627 of 661 (828666)
02-22-2018 10:55 AM
Reply to: Message 624 by caffeine
02-21-2018 4:00 PM


Re: Why do we have so few creationists
Maybe just point out every tenth lie.

An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo

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Message 628 of 661 (828679)
02-22-2018 12:26 PM
Reply to: Message 627 by ringo
02-22-2018 10:55 AM


Re: Why do we have so few creationists
Maybe just point out every tenth lie.

It may be better not to toss around the term "lie" so freely.

Creationists actually believe what they are saying, and certainly don't feel they're lying.

It is true that the evidence shows their claims are wrong and that many refuse to accept that evidence and keep making the same unevidenced and contradicted claims no matter what. But that's more of self-delusion or confirmation bias or just plain stubbornness than lying.

So lets stop with the accusations of lying.


Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein

In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool

It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle

If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1

"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.

Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.


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Message 629 of 661 (828698)
02-22-2018 2:51 PM


I'm a participant in the Evolution. We Have The Fossils. We Win. thread and so cannot moderate. I could recuse myself for a couple days and then take over as moderator (in fact, it's already been a couple days since I last posted to that thread), but I don't know that other participants would like that because I would just bring the discussion about the flood to a halt and redirect discussion to a more appropriate thread. So I'll just make a couple comments here.

I agree that the accusations of lying should cease.

I agree that content free posts should cease.

I agree that participants shouldn't introduce their own favorite arguments as if for the first time when those arguments have already been raised and discussed at length in other threads. Unless there is some new angle, there should be no convenient forgetting or mischaracterization of previous history, especially of discussions that a participant has abandoned in midstream.


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Message 630 of 661 (828742)
02-23-2018 11:46 AM
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02-22-2018 12:26 PM


Re: Why do we have so few creationists
Coyote writes:

Creationists actually believe what they are saying, and certainly don't feel they're lying.


Spreading lies is still reprehensible, whether they "feel" they're lying or not. "Your Honour, I don't feel I was causing any problems by driving through a school zone at a hundred miles an hour dead drunk."

An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo

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