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Message 20 of 384 (679358)
11-13-2012 12:57 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Tempe 12ft Chicken
11-13-2012 10:52 AM


Hi Tempe 12ft Chicken
PS - Texas is already at 60,000 signatures and only 25,000 are required for the White House to respond to the petition, so they should get an answer soon. I have a funny feeling it will be a resounding "No".
Let Texas go: it would be no great loss, and then we can let all the other people move to the new nation of Texas in exchange for all those who would like to move out..
  1. Texas is a net taker of federal funds, so this would improve the budget and the economy.
  2. Texas electoral votes (reliable "red" state with 38 votes) would be removed from future election calculations, thus letting the rest of the country to be more liberal
  3. Texas exerts an out of proportion amount of effect on classroom text books, watering down science, so we could be freed of this effect.
  4. This would reduce the senate GOP by two, making it 53 dems, 43 gops, 2 independents (and 43/98 = 43% ...)
  5. This would reduce the representative GOP by 22, dems by 10, for net reduction of 12
Overall a benefit for the rest of us.
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Message 22 of 384 (679362)
11-13-2012 1:30 PM
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11-13-2012 10:52 AM


Hi Tempe 12ft Chicken
According to the website The White House 30 states have begun petitions to secede from the United States of America. ...
Seeing as they have virtually identical wording and phrasing, I suspect an organized movement (like ALEC) of being behind this, rather that citizen uprising ...
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Message 50 of 384 (686189)
12-29-2012 5:03 PM


UPdate TEXAS
It looks like the Texas petition has 123,642 signatures ...
The White House
... and it looks like ~1/2 are from outside Texas.
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Message 51 of 384 (686191)
12-29-2012 5:37 PM
Reply to: Message 45 by tesla
11-15-2012 10:31 AM


Re: letting texas go?
Hi tesla,
... If one state was to leave, it would bring other states into questioning such a value, and turn into a mess really quickly.
OR it could offer an alternative to those who are dissatisfied with the federal government: move to Texas. They have lots of room and it could provide sufficient boost to their economy to pay the US for the federal assets that they would need to buy\reimburse (a process that would cool the heels of copycat states).
It could be done as an experiment,
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Message 53 of 384 (686196)
12-29-2012 6:20 PM
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12-29-2012 5:58 PM


Re: letting texas go?
Hi Coragyps,
We would have even more loonies than we have now!!!!
So you could sell your property (with a lot of potential new buyers) and move to a more reasonable state. The question is where would you most like to live?
Personally I don't see any great attachment to a piece of land, but that may be due to my moving so much.
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Message 55 of 384 (686208)
12-29-2012 8:24 PM
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12-29-2012 6:45 PM


Re: letting texas go?
Hi jar,
There's a great misconception that Texas is a homogenous character ...
No state is homogeneous, as far as I know, but it sure seems that the evidence of your legislature, federal reps, recent governors and presidential candidates all point to being ill informed on reality.
It may actually improve your sanity to move away from such influences. I know I was happier away from Mississippi and evangelical western Michigan ...
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Message 58 of 384 (688733)
01-24-2013 8:44 PM
Reply to: Message 57 by tesla
01-23-2013 1:35 PM


Re: letting texas go?
... and if it was granted, many other states may decide to join Texas as a new nation. ...
And?
... Hence the ‘mess’.
Why?
Why should the federal government always be lumbered by restrictionists preventing progress?
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Message 166 of 384 (689006)
01-27-2013 11:07 AM
Reply to: Message 141 by Faith
01-26-2013 8:47 PM


Virtual States
This topic is supposed to be about how it might be possible to rearrange the nation so that liberals and conservatives don't have to be ruled by each others' ideology. I got more specific about how I'd really like to live in a Christian state, not merely a conservative state.
We could have Virtual States, where people choose their particular options.
You could carry a red card that states you are a member of the religious conservative virtual state, thus exempting you from any and all social programs of the federal and state governments, your tax dollars do not support them and you get no benefits from them.
I could carry a blue card that states I am a member of the progressive liberal virtual state, thus exempting me from any reactionary programs of the federal and state governments, my tax dollars do not support them and I get no benefits from them.
At income tax time we tic off which programs we want to fund and which we do not want to fund.
I get universal health care, expanded social security and minimal military spending
You get no healthcare or social security and support military spending
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Message 168 of 384 (689020)
01-27-2013 2:49 PM
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01-27-2013 2:04 PM


Re: Virtual States
Sure. And the red card entitles you to prevent your gay neighbors from getting married ...
If they are redcarders, but not if they are bluecarders (and not in a redcard church).
... and allows you to discriminate against them in the work place.
If it is a redcard workplace.
... It also allows you to use federal funds to violate the establishment clause. ...
How so? It's not a government so much as it is an association, like Boy Scouts.
The red card also allows you to have all the guns you want, but you cannot draw them on blue card holders except in self defense in a proportionate response. No guns at all for blue card holders.
So there would be no need for redcarders to draw on bluecarders?
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Message 170 of 384 (689031)
01-27-2013 3:49 PM
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01-27-2013 3:30 PM


Re: Virtual States
Might be something to that Virtual State idea because it would free us from each other's ideology ...
Of course the ultimate initiation of this scheme would involve virtual reality equipment. Every day you get up and put on your goggles, and you see the world according to your version of reality. You don't see blue people, don't interact with them, just live in a virtual red world, just as I would not see red people, wouldn't interact with them, just live in a virtual blue world ...
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Message 175 of 384 (689051)
01-27-2013 8:34 PM
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01-27-2013 7:57 PM


Re: Virtual States
It is currently prohibited to operate public schools using public funds ...
But redcarders would be funding redcard association\private schools ...
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Message 232 of 384 (689174)
01-28-2013 4:41 PM
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01-28-2013 4:16 PM


The idea of "hate speech" is another infringement on religious freedom,
... The idea of "hate speech" is another infringement on religious freedom, which as a law would prohibit Christians from preaching that homosexual acts are sin for instance. That is a definite encroachment on Christian freedom.
speechless

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Message 237 of 384 (689179)
01-28-2013 4:46 PM
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01-28-2013 4:42 PM


Re: The idea of "hate speech" is another infringement on religious freedom,
?????
You're saying that not being able to spew hatred is an infringement on your religious views, yes?
So you want to use your religion as an excuse for your hate?
What has a homosexual person done to harm you?
Is this your church?
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Is their freedom infringed?
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Message 249 of 384 (689194)
01-28-2013 5:54 PM
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01-28-2013 4:50 PM


Re: The idea of "hate speech" is another infringement on religious freedom,
Well, there you have it. . You, in concert with this benighted culture I want out of, have decided that it is hate speech to quote the Bible and enforce it. (ABE: And now by an edit you are trying to smear me with that evil organization that pickets funerals. I simply believe the Bible which tells us that homosexuality is sin, a violation of God's laws, and Christian preachers should be allowed to say so without the likes of your kind of nastiness being spewed at them).
And the different between you and Phelps is what?
Would you say that Phelps and followers are trying to impose their religious views on others?
Christians do not hate sinners but we certainly do want to be able to define clearly what sin is, that means ALL sin, not just homosexual sin, but this is what you would prohibit by your twisted definition. The only hate here is yours by defining away the right of Christians to quote and apply the Bible.
And you want to be able to brow-beat people with your bigoted parochial views. But it isn't hate ... it just appears that way to people with open minds, but it's really religious freedom of expression.
It is your definition that infringes on my freedom as a Christian, a freedom supposedly guaranteed by the First Amendment, but here you have perfectly proved what I've been saying, that it does not guarantee me that at all, by the revisionist definition you hold of it.
It is your freedom to believe it, it is NOT your freedom to impose your views on anyone else --- because of THEIR religious freedom.
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Message 267 of 384 (689227)
01-28-2013 9:54 PM
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01-28-2013 5:57 PM


Re: The idea of "hate speech" is another infringement on religious freedom,
If a pastor preaches the Bible straightforwardly to his congregation and preaches it in his Bible based articles, is that "imposing" his views on anyone? ...
Not if they voluntarily went to the church to hear the sermon.
But when you tell homosexuals outside of your church group that it is sin when their religion does not - then you are trying to impose your views on them.
Phelps goes out and pickets the funerals of soldiers, now that IS imposing his views on people.
And I see no difference between that and your preaching at homosexuals that they are living in sin.
Of course if I dared to preach all this on a street corner you'd want me arrested wouldn't you?
Nope. I'd want you to be told to stop trying to impose your bigotry on others, and I would expect that the people you were trying to impose your bigotry on to be quite verbose in expressing their views to you.
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