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ICANT
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Message 361 of 384 (689628)
02-01-2013 8:09 PM
Reply to: Message 341 by Theodoric
01-31-2013 9:21 PM


Re: The idea of "hate speech" is another infringement on religious freedom,
Hi Theo,

Theodoric writes:

Government is not a business. The purpose of government is not to make a profit.

Great to see you realize that the government is not a business.

That means that the government does not produce income.

All the income that the government has comes from the tax payers. To pay all the bills they make, all the people they hire, all the military. In other words every cent they spend comes from the tax payers. Which has dwindled in numbers in the last 6 years.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 362 of 384 (689630)
02-01-2013 8:17 PM
Reply to: Message 342 by Theodoric
01-31-2013 9:22 PM


Re: 50-50-50-50
Hi Theo,

Theodoric writes:

Show your evidence for this assertion.

13.3% State income tax in California.
39.6% Federal income tax.
2.9% self employment tax of all moneys after 113,700 at 15.3%
2% personal property tax on airstream jet.value 60 million dollars

57.8% total so far.
1% to account for the 20 million over the 40 million income.
.9% Obamacare
59.7% total so far.

1.25% property tax on 6 million dollar home.
8% sales tax on all purchases.
68.9 cents tax per gallon of automobile gas.
Taxes on hotel bills
Taxes of food bills
Taxes on jet fuel aircraft burns around 400 gal per hr.

So yep all that should come to around 63% according to the tax accountant.

Figuring at 59.7% on 40 million tax would be $ 23,880,000 dollars
Figuring at RAZD 50% on 40 million tax = $20,000,000

A profit to the taxpayer of $3,880,000 dollars

A person as described above making 40 million dollars a year in Cal could move to Florida and keep 16.3% more of his money.

On 40 million would be $6,520,000 dollars per year.

Actually Phil paid a lot more as he made a little over 60 million in 2012.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 363 of 384 (689631)
02-01-2013 9:51 PM
Reply to: Message 348 by Rahvin
01-31-2013 11:50 PM


Re: 50-50-50-50
Hi Rahvin,

Rahvin writes:

I live in California. I work as an IT contractor, and I'm paid pretty well. I make six figures. I pay, combined, around 40% of my income to combined state and Federal taxes.

I'm glad to see you got a good job. In your case the system worked because you applied yourself. But where you applied yourself there are hundreds of thousands who do not apply themselves.

I am also glad to see you appreciate what the system did for you and are willing to pay your 40% of taxes.

But would you be willing to pay over 60% of your earnings in taxes?

Rahvin writes:

But when I was eating ramen, I couldn't afford to pay 40% of the pittance I received - I would have starved.

When I got married in 1957 I was making $1.10 per hr and working 50 hours a week operating heavy equiptment. We never missed a meal. I had a vehicle that I had paid for by the time I was 16 from money I made working in the field.

When my first child came along I paid for all the expenses with no insurance or gov. help. But by this time I was making $1.25 per hr. Then my second came along and I paid for all the expenses with no insurance or gov. help. By this time I was rolling in the dough, I was making $1.50 per hr. In 1959 while working in Clewiston I received a pretty sever injury but continued to work. About 10 months after the injury I became unable to work. So my family and I lived off of $38 per week workman comp. I applied for SS disability and was refused. I was not able to go back to work until mid 1962. I returned to operating heavy equiptment really making big money of $2.25 per hr. In 1964 a man the company had hired to operate heavy equiptment who was drawing disability for being blind ran over my motor grader as I was blading a bad place in the hall road. He hit me from behind with a machine loaded with dirt which weighed over 200,000 thousand lbs traveling at 35 mph. I was in the hospital for 48 days when I got out I decided to go to college as I could not work. My wife took a job as I was only getting 45 dollars a week workmans comp. Again I was denied SS disability. I was not able to work for 3 years, so my wife became the provider. When I got out of school I promised myself I would never be at the mercy of a company or corporation again, so I started my own company. So what I have I got the hard way without any helping hand from anyone other than my wife. I owe no one a penny. My motto is if you can't pay for it you don't need it.

I have never drawed unemployment, used food stamps, or any government assistance. Until I began to draw my Social Security and then found out all the money that had ever been paid into the system had been spent by our government. There is nothing but a bunch of IOU's in the supposed lock box. The government owes SS three times as much as it owes China. So instead of paying the SS benefits out of the money that was supposed to be invested the government borrowed the money and pays 1% interest on it. So now the benefits have to be paid out of the money that comes in weekly from SS withholding. We have had 2 years that was reduced creating a bigger shortfall than we was having before the payroll holiday. Maybe that is why I come over so cynical sometimes.

BTW I paid SS tax and income tax when I was making $1.10 per hr.

Rahvin writes:

What would Jesus do?

The same thing I have always done and still do. No one in the church needs anything done that they don't get done and no one will ever go hungry in our church.

I am admonished to take care of my brother and believe in doing so. But everybody in the world is not my brother, only those in my local church.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 364 of 384 (689634)
02-01-2013 10:09 PM
Reply to: Message 354 by Faith
02-01-2013 4:53 AM


Re: Tyranny
Hi Faith,

Faith writes:

I've given up the daydream I was pursuing here.

Don't lose the Faith.

It will happen when Christ takes the throne of David. But not until then.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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dwise1
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Message 365 of 384 (689642)
02-02-2013 12:25 AM
Reply to: Message 354 by Faith
02-01-2013 4:53 AM


Re: Tyranny
Faith, here is the fundamental problem that we all are experiencing here. You have been telling us what you want. But the problem is that you keep telling us something completely different! You keep contradicting yourself. So anybody who has been trying to keep track of what you actually think and belief becomes terminally confused because you keep changing your mind! Just what the hell are you talking about?

Yes, that's what I want, a state where Christianity rules but that nobody is denied basic rights.

Bullshit!

You have repeatedly told us that everybody else would be deprived of their basic rights, such as voting. Just exactly how does that not deprive them of their "basic rights"? In fact, the very basis of the original Tea Party has always been trumpeted as a protest against "taxation without representation." And your own personal pipe-dream/wet-dream is to deprive a vast portion of the population from representation by explicitly depriving them of representation in your wet-dream "utopia".

All the accusations that I want a tyranny are false, I just want to be free of ideologies I despise and I wanted to see how far it might be possible to do something like that without depriving anyone of their rights.

Bullshit!

You very specifically called for other religious ideas to be qualified as criminal. That means that individuals who held those religious views would be criminals! Subject to criminal prosecution! Which completely contradicts your current bullshit contradiction of your previous statements.

You fucking lying bitch!

Oh! But you have a "defense". You are a completely clueless bitch. You have absolutely no idea what you have been posting on this topic! You are an incredibly clueless stupid bitch whose cranial neurons have not fired even once in the past two decades.

Sorry, but I do not buy that stupid excuse, not one single bit!

And again I'd mention the fact that some religions are tyrannical at the core, with designs to rule the world, and that Protestantism is not one of them.

No, Protestantism is most decidedly not not one of them.

The Radical Religious Right's designs on us Americans (a group with which I'd be very sorely tasked to include you) most decidedly excludes them from your evaluation.

Giving them political power uin a Protestant state would be like inviting the wolves to devour the sheep

Giving Protestants such power will surely result in the same thing!

In Muslim countries you aren't allowed political power if you aren't a Muslim, and it would be stupid for them to allow it because they want to keep their state Muslim. But if I want a Christian state, which in my conception would be quite peaceloving and generous, I get accused of all kinds of terrible motivations I simply do not have.

You have been most explicit about that. Absolutely nobody who is not of the absolute same religious belief and affiliation as yourself would be accorded any kind of civil rights whatsoever. Which is to say that your own Christian Taliban Government will be absolutely identical to any Muslim Taliban Government in any conceivable existence except for the "absolute" theological basis for that particular "HELL ON EARTH."

This government is BECOMING a tyranny, it's on its way there, although you apparently don't see it. Some of us have seen it coming for a long time.

Becoming a tyranny HOW?

By allowing those who believe differently from you to exist and even to flourish? To your mind, that is supposed to be a failure? A step towards tyranny? You are able to exist and flourish. I am able to exist and flourish. How is that supposed to be "tyranny"? You're babbling nonsense again! Are you free to post what exactly you think (regardless of how much you keep contradicting yourself)? Yes, you are. Am I free to pose what exactly I think? Yes, I am. So just what is your supposed problem? Do you think that you are free to post whatever you want to but I'm not allowed to do the same? Well fuck you very much!

Freedom is freedom. You have your freedom and I have mine. We may both disagree with each other, but we can still express ourselves freely. And, hey, we could individually benefit from an exchange of ideas.

A "tyranny"? Really? Are you serious? OK, I realize that you are completely out of touch with reality, but ... really? You are that out of touch with reality?

Having given up on a theocracy, however, I could still consider the feasibility of red states seceding.

Yes, me too.

And when that happens, we will see "Hell on Earth" open up wider that you could ever hope it to. Every evil thing that Christianity has ever dared to dream of would become a reality. But the most satifisfying Protestant Christian atrocity would be for the prevailing Christian government that you have so lusted after to proclaim you to be apostate and to comdemn you for that crime. And you, in your typical cluelessnessm, would go to your doom with no comprehension of what you had done wrong. How utterly poetic!


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Faith
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Message 366 of 384 (689643)
02-02-2013 12:29 AM
Reply to: Message 364 by ICANT
02-01-2013 10:09 PM


Re: Tyranny
It will happen when Christ takes the throne of David. But not until then.

Absolutely. And I gotta tell ya, I've never so passionately longed for that day as I have over the last short period of, oh I don't know, weeks, months, something.

It seemed worth a thought experiment at least to convince myself there might still be a way to save the nation, but I convinced myself of the reverse. At least as far as that method goes. But maybe that's a good thing, defeat in worldly terms throws us back on the Lord for strength, and since He tells us His strength is made perfect in our weakness, let's celebrate our weakness.

You ready for what's coming down, bro? It aint gonna be pretty.


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dwise1
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Message 367 of 384 (689644)
02-02-2013 12:31 AM
Reply to: Message 362 by ICANT
02-01-2013 8:17 PM


Re: 50-50-50-50
1.25% property tax on 6 million dollar home.

You have a 6 million dollar home?

Care to tell us about it?

In California, my residence is worth about 3-4 hundred thousand dollars.

So please tell us what it's like to have a 6 million dollar home.


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dwise1
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Message 368 of 384 (689647)
02-02-2013 12:45 AM
Reply to: Message 366 by Faith
02-02-2013 12:29 AM


Re: Tyranny
Interesting thing about the Second Coming. It don't come!

Word is it that early Christians wouldn't plant any trees, because none of them would ever possibly reach maturity to bear any fruit. Two thousand years ago!

The Second Coming wasn't in their generation. What makes you think it's in yours? Like a "thief in the night", you have absolutely not idea whatsoever. What do you think you are holding out for? If you had held out 2000 years ago to absolutely not avail, what makes you think that holding out now to absolutely no avail makes any difference?

And in the meantime, the normals look upon you and shake their heads in sadness. And vow to themselves to forsake such utter foolishness.

It's your witness!


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Faith
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Message 369 of 384 (689648)
02-02-2013 1:19 AM
Reply to: Message 368 by dwise1
02-02-2013 12:45 AM


Re: Tyranny
2Pe 3:3-4 ...there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as [they were] from the beginning of the creation.

He who surrenders the first page of his Bible surrenders all. --John William Burgon, Inspiration and Interpretation, Sermon II.

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dwise1
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Message 370 of 384 (689649)
02-02-2013 1:23 AM
Reply to: Message 369 by Faith
02-02-2013 1:19 AM


Re: Tyranny
Complete and utter nonsensical blatherings.

Care to make an actual statement that is deserving of a response?


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Message 371 of 384 (689650)
02-02-2013 1:34 AM
Reply to: Message 369 by Faith
02-02-2013 1:19 AM


Re: End Times
some people think a comet'll make the world blow up & burn,
some say nuclear winter, some predict a Super Germ,
some believe in The Rapture, some in cryogenic nappin'...
but they've all got it all wrong, 'cause none of that stuff's gonna happen.
each one's usin' it as an excuse to keep their hands on their lap &
if you're waitin' for The End Times ... they're not gonna happen.

- xongsmith, 5.7d

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dwise1
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Message 372 of 384 (689653)
02-02-2013 2:22 AM
Reply to: Message 354 by Faith
02-01-2013 4:53 AM


Re: Tyranny
Hello! Faith! I responded to your entire ididiocy. No response?
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AZPaul3
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Message 373 of 384 (689656)
02-02-2013 3:13 AM
Reply to: Message 367 by dwise1
02-02-2013 12:31 AM


Re: 50-50-50-50
In California, my residence is worth about 3-4 hundred thousand dollars.

So please tell us what it's like to have a 6 million dollar home.

HA! I got you both beat! I pay less then $600 a month for my apartment!


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vimesey
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Message 374 of 384 (689658)
02-02-2013 4:31 AM
Reply to: Message 363 by ICANT
02-01-2013 9:51 PM


Re: 50-50-50-50
I am admonished to take care of my brother and believe in doing so. But everybody in the world is not my brother, only those in my local church.

If someone were to spend a lifetime immersing themselves in the darkest arts of advertising, the weaseliest depths of lawyering and the most devious machinations of spin doctoring, it would still not be possible to twist one of the most fundamental precepts of Christianity, or to inappropriately claim morality, as much as you have done there.


Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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Faith
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Message 375 of 384 (689660)
02-02-2013 6:19 AM
Reply to: Message 363 by ICANT
02-01-2013 9:51 PM


Re: who is our brother?
Hi ICANT
I have to admit I was shocked to see Vimesey's answer to you because of YOUR statement that he was answering. I've always understood that our brother is the entire human race. It isn't appreciated here, that's for sure, but most of my remarks about guns and whatever I hope will benefit somebody here and I'm sure it's the same with you.

It isn't happening and in fact people seem to interpret it all in such ugly ways it is far from having any such positive effect, and the same will no doubt happen to this one too, and I've pretty much given up, but still, the principle is we are to do what we can for any member of the human race. The Parable of the Good Samaritan was to demonstrate that we are to care even for our enemies.

Just had to comment on this.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


He who surrenders the first page of his Bible surrenders all. --John William Burgon, Inspiration and Interpretation, Sermon II.

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