States petition for secession

Bullshit.The scientists are what keeps us advancing.You just don't like them because they tell you a lot of your religious beliefs are wrong (and they are).Try running a modern economy without them and you're a third-world cesspool.

I'm not interested in "advancing." Whoever came up with this bizarre notion that society must be continually "advancing?" To what? That's the tenet of Progressivism which is what the red region is to be free of. I want a STABLE society, a stable civilized CHRISTIAN society ruled by the gospel of Christ. Any ideas how to split the nation to make that possible?You can have your own region, I'm all for that. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Well, I wrote that before I read your post #71. I underestimated just how weird you are; it's surprising that I still do that. You'd sound marginally less ridiculous babbling about my "ignorance of history" if you yourself were vaguely aware even of current events; or if I had posted anything displaying ignorance of history. Well, I'd have suggested that the reds shouldn't divide themselves into sectarian splinter groups, but that would be up to you.

Societies that aren't advancing are likely to be declining. You can have that, I'm not interested. I'm all for technological advances, all the way to the stars and beyond. Nonsense.First, advancement is a human goal--each generation wants things to be better for their successors.And no, the red states don't want to become a religious backwater. You can get that throughout the Middle East, and it is not a desirable condition. The 7th century is not all it was cracked up to be. Nor were the Dark Ages. Yes, you take two or three counties in the bible belt and make them your own. You can be the next Amish. Just leave the rest of us alone. Deal?

Yes, splinter groups can be a problem. Nevertheless I'd like to ponder the possibilities. ONE Puritan state would be fine for starters. Perhaps there is a predominantly red state somewhere that would like to vote itself for the experiment.

So which of the scientific advances made thus far would you like to abolish?

There is nothing backwaterish or Amish-like about Reformed Protestantism, historically it is the REASON the west became so prosperous and advanced, although since you now define that concept to mean something else I just don't want to argue it, or any of the other redefined concepts with the prejudiced crazy people at EvC. I would just like to come up with some practical ideas on this thread that started out recognizing the desire of some states to leave this ideologically despicable Union and become independent.Maybe it WOULD be possible to settle some counties in the Bible Belt for a start. That's an idea.

Evolution. Which isn't an advance but since you think it is there's your answer.

I know you think that. We've seen a good deal of the kinds of things you believe, and one more ridiculous notion is not a surprise.Why should people who disagree with you go anywhere? You are the one that cannot get along with scientists, Catholics, or liberals. Why don't you pack your stuff up on the Mayflower and leave? Just how many people do you expect want to live in a Puritan theocracy anyway?Liberals are everywhere. Even in states where liberals are in the minority, they constitute a large portion of those state's population and economy. Why should they all have to move and be deprived of their livelihoods and way of life because Faith does not like them?And people accuse liberals of hating America. Sheesh...

Sorry, I was assuming you'd all like just as much to be free of conservatives and Christians as I would of you. RAZD was expressing something along those lines back in Message 58 which is what got me into this. If not I guess there is no solution to be had or that anyone wants to consider.It would be disruptive for everybody concerned you know. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

First of all, I am a Christian. I also married a Christian gal who I love dearly. I don't have problems with Christians per se.Second of all, you keep me in stitches, and I hope you stick around. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

The term "Christian" is terribly misused these days, alas.

Not a problem "getting along," just don't want to be GOVERNED by the liberal ideology or the Pope. Get the difference? Far more than you have any idea, that's for sure, although many of them might figure they are of more use among the heathen where they can be missionaries. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Just to get down to some realities, my Puritan state would of course have laws against abortion and homosexuality and other sexual violations of God's law, and not permit evolution to be taught in the schools.The Bible would be the law of the land probably through Blackstone's Commentaries, which I believe were Americanized by someone named Tucker if I recall correctly, and would be the basis of all education as it was in the early Colonies, and as it was in the founding of Harvard and Yale and many other universities, and some sort of safeguards against the corruptions of those institutions that occurred over time would have to be put in place.We'd have a Constitution probably similar to the one we have now but tightened up to make Christianity clearly the rule of the land and as far as possible guard against the corruptions that over time eliminated the nation's Christian foundations. The Constitution we have has many virtues but it was crafted by people with an Enlightenment anti-Christian mindset in a betrayal of the majority Christian population, and that has to be righted. Efforts were made at various times to append a Christian Preamble in the hope of correcting it, but I think something more radically Christian than that is needed for our new Puritan state.I'd hope the general atmosphere of our state would be along the lines that DeToqueville reported on when he visitied.There's nothing in such an arrangement to disallow science that I can see, but of course if you insist on defining it as you do then bye bye.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I'd certainly agree with that.