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cavediver Member (Idle past 3665 days) Posts: 4129 From: UK Joined: |
I might be wrong but didn't the one of these companies that is based in Ireland (Google?) pay something like 300 million in tax in Ireland? The article mentions that much of the Google profit ends up in Bermuda, which has no tax! All you need to do is ensure that your operation in Bermuda is charging a healthy fee of some form to your Irish and UK operations, which substantially reduces your profitability in those areas, whilst hoisting it considerably in your tax-free haven. The problem is that such fees can be perfectly legitimate. It is difficult to judge a fee as unjustifiable just because as a "side-effect" it very effectively transfers the tax burden from a high-tax state to a low-tax state. And that is the quandry facing the HMRC and other tax offices.
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3985 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 7.2
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Straggler writes: This is very off-topic but if the Tea Party are "normal" people how did the democrats with Obama at their helm win the last two general elections? Can't you see the Tea Party voter in the booth (closet), realizing the full secrecy of the ballot, and thinking, "I'd rather vote for the negro than that effin' Mormon..." I can. I told all and sundry there was no way an enthusiastic conservative Christian tide could wash the Angel Moroni, the golden tablets and the special underwear off of Romney. That's my analysis, and I'm sticking to it. And given the massive tax avoidance/evasion that Romney managed (the obvious reason he wouldn't release more tax returns), this isn't really off-topic."If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
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Straggler Member Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
So (short of world government) what is to be done?
Invade Bermuda.....?
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Straggler Member Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
To get it very on topic - What are some examples of Romney's corporate tax evasion?
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3985 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 7.2
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You are so cute with your questions! The easy answer is that full reveal is in his tax returns, which Romney refused to disclose--in contravention of political custom and his father's precedent.
Or we could note that in the two years worth of returns he did release, he paid only about 15% on millions, using the loophole-the-size-of-the-deficit, Bush tax cut capital gains rate for the wealthy. But we can do better than that. Let's start with his Individual Retirement Account, created and funded entirely during his years with Bain Capital. These accounts were created to encourage middle-class earners to provide for their own retirement, since pensions are so passe. This occurred during a time when the limit for an SEP-IRA annual contribution--funded entirely by an employer--was $30,000. AbE: Regular wage earners were limited to about $6000 in annual IRA contributions. Some background from Bloomberg:
quote: The short answer is that he took advantage of leveraged buyouts to put nominally "low value" stocks into his IRA, knowing that the shedding of debt and workers that typified the Bain Capital approach would rapidly balloon those values up to their real world value. Smart? Sure. The actions of a fully engaged capitalist invested in the health of his own nation's economy? Hardly. Legal? There are strong opinions both ways, but the IRS has little interest in pursuing any investigation that might appear as post-election persecution. A familiar pattern? You bet. He testified in divorce court for his friend, the founder of Staples, on the scant value to be found in Staples stocks--and created a special class of low value Staples stock to be used to payoff the former Mrs. Founder. Will that do for starters? Edited by Omnivorous, : No reason given."If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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not the welfare leeches and people who want the government to steal money from productive types. That is who that 9 million immigrants consist of. It's probably time for a water break, because this crap is uncalled for. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3985 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 7.2
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So, in the first reply I addressed the Olympic quality of Romney's tax avoidance, using mechanisms that skirt the boundary of legality.
The New York Times' Michael Graetz took a hard look at what Romney's meager tax record releases showed. I'll provide a lengthy quote, since NYT has a paywall, and I cannot improve on Mr. Graetz's reporting.
quote: Read this part again, slowly: "According to a partner at Mr. Romney’s trustee’s law firm, valuing carried interests, such as Mr. Romney’s interests in the private equity company Bain Capital, at zero for gift tax purposes was common advice given to clients like Mr. Romney in the 1990s and early 2000s." Dodge the gift tax by declaring the value of the gift (worth many millions) to be zero. And it wasn't just Romney, it was commonly done by people in his economic class. That's not tax avoidance, that's tax evasion, carefully crafted in a tax area rarely subjected to IRS review. He should be audited. He won't be."If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
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foreveryoung Member (Idle past 604 days) Posts: 921 Joined:
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taq writes: Normal people do not think that Obama was born in Kenya and is a secret muslim. Normal people do not brush off such suggestions as nonsense when there is plenty of evidence to suggest such things were indeed possible.
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Rahvin Member Posts: 4039 Joined: Member Rating: 8.2
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Normal people do not brush off such suggestions as nonsense when there is plenty of evidence to suggest such things were indeed possible. 1) If actual, credible evidence that President Obama was not actually legally capable of holding the office to which he was elected, it would have been presented and held up in court, and his Presidency would not be about to enter its second term. There have been lawsuits, and they have been struck down because the "evidence" is a bunch of bullshit. "Normal people" brush off accusations of foreign birth when a preponderance of evidence exists falsifying such a claim. Evidence like a birth certificate from Hawaii, or the fact that, since his mother was an American citizen, Obama would count as a natural born American even if he was born in Kenya, just like children born to parents on vacation or serving in the military stationed in foreign lands. John McCain, entertainingly enough, was actually not born in the US. He's still a natural-born American citizen, though, because his parents were citizens. The "birther" claim is worse than false - even if it were true it wouldn't affect Obama's eligibility to be President. That is why "normal people," meaning people with an IQ above freezing and possessing the reasoning capability of a housefly, dismiss such ridiculous claims. The "birther" nonsense is used by dramatic attention-seekers like Trump, and otherwise is exclusively used by absolute loons with the biggest case of "sour grapes" in recent memory. 2) Being a Muslim would not affect President Obama's eligibility to be the President of the United States. The office of the President does not afford the power to enact Sharia law or any of the other nonsense involved in the "steal Muslim" conspiracy theories. Therefore, even if such speculation were true, it would be utterly meaningless. And, you know...if Obama was secretly on Al Qaeda's side, he probably wouldn't have ordered the strike that killed bin Laden, and he probably wouldn't be using drones to kill so many Muslims. It's unbelievable that people still cling to these absurd bits of insanity.The human understanding when it has once adopted an opinion (either as being the received opinion or as being agreeable to itself) draws all things else to support and agree with it. - Francis Bacon "There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." - John Rogers A world that can be explained even with bad reasons is a familiar world. But, on the other hand, in a universe suddenly divested of illusions and lights, man feels an alien, a stranger. His exile is without remedy since he is deprived of the memory of a lost home or the hope of a promised land. This divorce between man and his life, the actor and his setting, is properly the feeling of absurdity. — Albert Camus "...the pious hope that by combining numerous little turds ofvariously tainted data, one can obtain a valuable result; but in fact, the outcome is merely a larger than average pile of shit." Barash, David 1995.
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roxrkool Member (Idle past 1011 days) Posts: 1497 From: Nevada Joined:
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My mother is an immigrant, Mexican to be exact. And she worked her ass off here in the U.S. as a maid for 20 years. My parents are retired now, get $15 in food stamps a month (the only welfare they have ever received), and live in Mexico because that's what they can afford on their measly SS.
I take great exception to snot-nosed bozos who don't have a lick of sense. And FEY is a great example of that. But he's simply not worth arguing with.
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nwr Member Posts: 6409 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.3
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The "birther" nonsense is used by dramatic attention-seekers like Trump, and otherwise is exclusively used by absolute loons with the biggest case of "sour grapes" in recent memory.
It is mostly used by racists, to encourage people to vote their racism while allowing them to delude themselves that they are not actually racist.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1489 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined:
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He's still a natural-born American citizen, though, because his parents were citizens. Well... See, there's an argument about that. The law that you'd think would apply, the one you're referring to - children born overseas to American parents are citizens, regardless - refers to children born "born beyond the sea or out of the limits and jurisdiction of the United States". But the Panama Canal Zone, a US protectorate at the time of McCain's birth, isn't outside the jurisdiction of the United States. Yet, it's not American territory, either. At the time of McCain's birth it existed in a legal gray zone - a gray zone that, in several court rulings, was interpreted to mean that people born in the Canal Zone weren't automatically American citizens. Now, in 1937, Congress closed that loophole and affirmed under statute that anyone born to American parents regardless of their location was American. But the thing is, John McCain is older than that law. That's how fucking old that dude is. And being older than the law that granted him unambiguous citizenship might have meant that he was not a natural born American citizen. It's an argument, anyway, and one advanced by actual lawyers - including law professor Gabriel Chin:
quote: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/11/us/politics/11mccain.html All of that said, though, who could possibly have had standing to file the suit?
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foreveryoung Member (Idle past 604 days) Posts: 921 Joined: |
If actual, credible evidence that President Obama was not actually legally capable of holding the office to which he was elected, it would have been presented and held up in court, and his Presidency would not be about to enter its second term That is not true. Just because no judge has been willing to take the case, doesn't mean there isn't credible evidence that his long form birth certificate is legal and never been tampered with. I have read reasonable arguments that not only was his birth certificate tampered with in 2008 but his hawaian newpaper birth announcements were tampered with in 2008 as well.
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foreveryoung Member (Idle past 604 days) Posts: 921 Joined: |
rahvin writes: The "birther" claim is worse than false - even if it were true it wouldn't affect Obama's eligibility to be President. That is why "normal people," meaning people with an IQ above freezing and possessing the reasoning capability of a housefly, dismiss such ridiculous claims. I have an iq of 136 and I do not think such claims are ridiculous. I am just not brainwashed like you and your fellow travelers are. You haven't proven the birther claims are false. You only imagine them to be proven in your elitist snobby liberal mind.
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foreveryoung Member (Idle past 604 days) Posts: 921 Joined:
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Go ahead and knock my rating down to 1 all of you communist hellbound degenerates. You can all go to hell as far as I am concerned.
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