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Author Topic:   Catholicism versus Protestantism down the centuries
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Message 7 of 1000 (681969)
11-29-2012 8:53 AM
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11-29-2012 2:57 AM


Re: The Verdict? A draw
And what might those different types of errors be?

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Message 18 of 1000 (681993)
11-29-2012 12:42 PM
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11-29-2012 11:40 AM


Re: Giant sized error
Perfect correctness isn't the point, the ultimate point is the nature of salvation, the gospel itself, that's THE dividing line between Romanism and Protestantism.
And I suppose you have evidence that Roman Catholics see the nature of Salvation differently than Protestants?

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Message 25 of 1000 (682005)
11-29-2012 1:05 PM
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11-29-2012 12:58 PM


Re: Let's ask the Catholics about Salvation
It's through God's Grace Faith.
But of course, the Bible says that Jesus said salvation is based on your behavior, your works.
Edited by jar, : hit wrong key.

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Message 31 of 1000 (682011)
11-29-2012 1:39 PM
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11-29-2012 1:26 PM


Re: Let's ask the Catholics about Salvation
You need to remember that Faith speaks only for those Protestants that happen to be members of her particular Chapters of Club Christian.
As a Protestant and having been raised as a Protestant and educated in a Protestant school I can say that we were taught that works were essential. As my old mom used to say, "It ain't what you profess to believe, it's what you do that hows what you REALLY believe."
There are some chapters of Club Christian that hold and market the old "Jesus paid for all my sins" theology. I have to admit that is an attractive product, easy to to sell, epitomized by the oft seen bumper sticker "Not perfect, just saved." It is a great con job, totally legal and with absolutely no product liability.

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Message 36 of 1000 (682017)
11-29-2012 1:47 PM
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11-29-2012 1:44 PM


Re: Let's ask the Catholics about Salvation
It's also important to note that the Councils (there were several and they went on for years) of Trent also affirmed Luther's 95 Treatise and agreed with him on almost every point.

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Message 92 of 1000 (682216)
11-30-2012 2:52 PM
Reply to: Message 76 by Faith
11-30-2012 12:34 PM


Re: Let's ask the Catholics about Salvation
As I understand it, Catholics will not say that they know for certain that they are saved, in fact there is some idea that it's presumptuous to think that. And they DO add works to the formula, which completely undermines salvation by Christ alone.
Honest Protestants KNOW that they don't have a clue of whether or not they are saved and will not know until after they are dead an judged.
Dishonest Protestants may THINK they know, but it will only be after they are dead and judged that they will discover the truth.
Jesus death was not some cheap get outta hell card.

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jar
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Message 93 of 1000 (682218)
11-30-2012 2:57 PM
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11-30-2012 1:12 PM


Re: Let's ask the Catholics about Salvation
Ah but selling prayer hankies and all the other commercial crap marketed in particular by US Protestant Evangelists and Prosperity Gospel are fine.
Got it.

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jar
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Message 110 of 1000 (682364)
12-01-2012 6:13 PM
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12-01-2012 5:54 PM


Re: Let's ask the Catholics about Salvation
As a Protestant I agree with all three of those Canon.
Not all Protestant chapters of Club Christian espouse the easy cop outs.

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Message 112 of 1000 (682372)
12-01-2012 6:40 PM
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12-01-2012 6:34 PM


Re: Let's ask the Catholics about Salvation
That's not god saying anything Faith, it is the author of John making a claim.
It's interesting to see how the various claims evolved as Christianity was marketed and John was na major revisionist.

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jar
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Message 116 of 1000 (682377)
12-01-2012 6:58 PM
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12-01-2012 6:50 PM


Re: Let's ask the Catholics about Salvation
Of course the Roman Catholic Church is not Protestant but the evangelists are Protestants. In fact most of the US genocide was done by Protestants, probably the most effective and efficient example of genocide in all of history.

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jar
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Message 118 of 1000 (682379)
12-01-2012 7:12 PM
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12-01-2012 7:05 PM


Re: Let's ask the Catholics about Salvation
Who ran the Indian Schools?
Who forbade Indian Children from speaking their language, wearing their hair uncut, worshiping their religion, wearing their clothes?
Who stole their lands, killed off their food supply, pushed them onto reservations?
The mostly Protestant Christians taught the world how best to commit genocide in an efficient and socially acceptable manner.

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jar
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Message 122 of 1000 (682393)
12-01-2012 8:10 PM
Reply to: Message 119 by Faith
12-01-2012 7:41 PM


On Protestant Genocide.
Maybe you don't know what Genocide means; it means the intentional destruction of a culture or people, and Christianity has been very good at that for about 2000 years. The Protestants simply developed a more efficient, more socially acceptable methodology. Instead of only killing off the infidels and heathens, the Protestants also took the land away from them and outlawed practicing the religions, using the languages, wearing the dress and then took the kids away from their families.
Of course there were even more developments as the Protestants evolved new techniques, for example the 1924 Racial Purity Act simply declared that there was no such thing as a Native American and destroyed all the records so that in the future it would be impossible to prove that someone was a Native American.
The Protestants learned. Killing off the Pequots and selling the rest into slavery was better than the Catholic Practice of killing off all the native population and then needing to import slaves to take up the slack as the Spanish did in the Caribbean.
The biggest difference between Protestants and Roman Catholics is just how much more efficient Protestants have been and still are at genocide.

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jar
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Message 124 of 1000 (682398)
12-01-2012 8:24 PM
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12-01-2012 8:14 PM


Re: On Protestant Genocide.
Too funny.
There is no official "Protestant" doctrine, there are a whole herd of Protestant Chapters of Club Christian.
There is what Protestants have done just as there is what Roman Catholics have done.
The kid torn from his culture and family and made to cut his hair, wear strange clothes, speak a strange language and worship some silly religion instead of his religion really doesn't much care whether it was "Official Doctrine" or "wink wink, nudge nudge".

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jar
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Message 127 of 1000 (682403)
12-01-2012 8:44 PM
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12-01-2012 8:33 PM


Re: Official Protestant action
And when official Protestant churches establish Indian Schools and take the kids away from their families and destroy their culture it can be called Official Protestant Genocide.

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jar
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Message 130 of 1000 (682406)
12-01-2012 10:10 PM
Reply to: Message 129 by Faith
12-01-2012 10:05 PM


Re: No True Scotsman is wrongly applied here
jar is a recognized member of a Protestant Chapter of Club Christian raised in a Protestant home, educated in a Protestant school who has taught adult and child Protestant Sunday school and helped start new Protestant Missions and helped physically build Protestant churches and is webmaster for a half dozen or so Protestant websites.
jar is a Protestant.
Get over it.
It really is that simple.

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