Hi CS,
CS writes:
It doesn't say all that, you added a bunch. It doesn't mention baptism or church or tithes or sacraments. It just says that we are saved by grace through faith. Faith plus works salvation is not contradicted with that quote, it too says we're saved by grace through faith, it just goes on to say that you have to do works to justify your faith.
Good you noticed that none of those things were mentioned in the text only that we are saved by grace through faith and not of works.
CS writes:
And the way you show that you've accepted the gift is through the works you do as a result of it. If you're not doing the works, then you didn't accept the gift. Ergo, we do need to have works too.
I agree that anyone who has been born again by receiving the free gift of God of eternal life will want to serve Him and give Him honor and glory. And the first thing a person has to do to follow Jesus after he/she has been born again is to be baptized as Jesus was. Then there are a lot of things He tells us to do, in His Word.
CS writes:
Sure, but not just that.
What part of John 3:18 that says: "Whoever believes in him will not be condemned," do you not understand?
What part of John 3:18 that says: "but whoever does not believe has already been condemned, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God", do you not understand?
CS writes:
Well as jar points out,
It does not make any difference what jar or I say about what the text says. The only thing that matters is what the text says.
CS writes:
No, they're not enough. You're adding more to them than what they say. Plus, the Bible has other parts that go directly against the faith alone position:
quote:
James 2:17
KJV
Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
NIV
In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.
Why didn't you quote the following verse in James?
quote:
James 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
You can not show anyone your faith without your works.
You can tell me you are a christian until you are blue in the face if you do not produce fruit for Christ I will not believe you are a christian.
You can tell me you are a christian until you are blue in the face and if you will not accept what the Bible says I will not believe you are a christian.
More scripture.
I am quoting the authorize Catholic Bible, The New American Bible
quote:
John 10: 25 Jesus answered them, "I told you 12 and you do not believe. The works I do in my Father's name testify to me.
26 But you do not believe, because you are not among my sheep.
27 My sheep hear my voice; I know them, and they follow me.
28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish. No one can take them out of my hand.
29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, 13 and no one can take them out of the Father's hand.
30 The Father and I are one."
quote:
Luke 8:12 Those on the path are the ones who have heard, but the devil comes and takes away the word from their hearts that they may not believe and be saved.
Luke 18:42 Jesus told him, "Have sight; your faith has saved you."
God Bless,
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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