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12-01-2012 1:38 AM


1. Formative/Cosmologic Era-Hadean Era/ = First Day

2. Hadean Era-Archaean Era/ = Second Day

3. Archaean Era-Proterozoic Era/ = Third Day

4. Proterozoic Era-Paleozoic Era/ = Fourth Day

5. Paleozoic Era-Mesozoic Era/ = Fifth Day

6. Mesozoic Era-Cenozoic Era/ = Six Day

7. Cenozoic Era-Common Era/ = Seventh Day

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Chaotian Era
Chaotian Eon
This era begins with the formation of the Solar System and the Earth from planetesimals in the solar nebula. Mineral evolution begins at this time (although presumably it has already occurred many times in other, early, solar systems.
Hadean Era
Hadean Eon
The name says it all; a hellish period lasting some 760 million years, when the Earth was subject to frequent bombardment by comets, asteroids, and other planetary debris. This era begins when a Mars-sized body struck the original Earth, pulverizing both, and reforming into the current Earth-moon binary. Gradually the molten Earth cools, outgassing of first atmosphere and oceans, bombardment by left-over planetesimal and debris. The Hadean eon was characterized by extensive volcanism and formation of the first crust. Following a second period of cosmic bombardment, by the end of the Hadean, the Earth had an atmosphere (unbreathable to most organisms today), and oceans filled with water.
Archean Era
Archean Eon
Lasting more than twice as long as the Phanerozoic eon, the Archean was a time when diverse microbial life flourished in the primordial oceans, and the continental shields developed from volcanic activity. The reducing (anaerobic) atmosphere enabled Archaea (anaerobic microbes) to develop, and plate tectonics followed a regime of continental drift different to that of the Proterozoic and later. During this era, one type of organism, the Cyanobacteria (blue-green algae) produced oxygen as a metabolic by-product; the eventual build-up of this highly reactive gas was to eventually prove fatal to many life-forms, and converted the atmosphere from.
Proterozoic Era
Proterozoic Eon
The Proterozoic, which lasted even longer than the Archean Era, saw the atmosphere changes from reducing to oxygenated, driving the original anaerobic inhabitants of the Earth into a few restricted anoxic refuges and enabling the rise of aerobic life (both prokaryote and the more complex eukaryotic cell, which requires the high octane boost that oxygen enables.) Stromatolites (colonial cyanobacteria), which had appeared during the Archean, were common. The modern regime of continental drift began, and saw the formation of supercontinent of Rodinia, and several extensive ice ages. Late in the Proterozoic a runaway icehouse effect meant that the preceding warm conditions were replaced by a "Snowball Earth" with ice several kilometers deep covering the globe. Warming conditions saw the short-lived Ediacarian biota and finally the appearance of first metazoa.
Paleozoic Era
Paleozoic Era
Early in the 300 million year history of the Paleozoic, atmospheric oxygen reached its present levels, generating the ozone shield that screens out ultraviolet radiation and allows complex life to live in the shallows and finally on land. This era witnessed the age of invertebrates, of fish, of tetrapods, and (during the Permian) reptiles. From the Silurian on, life emerged from the sea to colonize the land, and in the later Paleozoic pteridophyte and later gymnospermous plants flourished. The generally mild to tropical conditions with their warm shallow seas were interspersed with Ordovician and Permo-Carboniferous ice ages. Towards the end of the Paleozoic the continents clustered into the supercontinent of Pangea, and increasingly aridity meant the end of the great Carboniferous swamps and their unique flora and fauna. The Paleozoic was brought to an end by the end Permian mass-extinction, perhaps the most severe extinction the planet has seen.
Mesozoic Era
Mesozoic Era
Lasting little more than half the duration of the Paleozoic, this was a spectacular time. The generalized archosaurian reptiles of the Triassic gave way to the dinosaurs, a terrestrial megafauna the like of which the Earth has not seen before or since. While dinosaurs dominated the land, diverse sea-reptiles ruled the oceans, and invertebrates, especially ammonites, were extremely diverse. Pterosaurs and later birds took to the sky. Mammals however remained small and insignificant. Climatic conditions remained warm and tropical worldwide. The supercontinent of Pangea broke up into Laurasia and Gondwana, with different dinosaurian faunas evolving on each. During this era modern forms of corals, insects, new fishes and finally flowering plants evolved. At the end of the Cretaceous period the dinosaurs and many other animals abruptly died out, quite likely the result of an asteroid impact and associated extensive volcanism (acid rain)
Cenozoic Era
Cenozoic Era
With the extinction of the dinosaurs and the end of the Mesozoic, the mammals swiftly inherit the Earth. Archaic mammals co-existed with birds and modern reptiles and invertebrates. The current continents emerged, and the initial tropical conditions were replaced by a colder drier climate, possibly caused by the Himalayan uplift. The appearance of grass meant the rise of grazing mammals, and the cooler drier world allowed modern mammalian groups to evolve, along with other lineages now extinct and a few archaic hold-overs. Among the newcomers were the anthropoid apes that culminated in the australopithecine hominids of Africa. Decreasing temperatures and a polar landmass of Antarctica resulted in a new Ice Age. Most recently, in the blink of an eye geologically speaking, this era saw the rise of Man (Homo erectus, Neanderthal and Cro-Magnon) and use of stone tools and fire, the extinction of Megafauna, and civilization and human activities that have transformed the globe, but at a cost of great environmental destruction.

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Message 2 of 310 (682313)
12-01-2012 8:23 AM
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12-01-2012 1:38 AM


The real issue here is whether the science people on this site are really Bible Bashers or honestly examining the Age of the Universe and how that information relates to the bible.

Is it a cowardly attack on the ever smaller but still vocal YECs who just misread Genesis as it has come down to their church from the Middle Ages?

Or, are the science-savy people here willing to accept that Geology has been used to record the History of the Earth as a series of seven major events marked in stone, i.e.; the rock layers?

This thread was moved here because other threads were unconcerned about this issue which supports the Theistic Evolution Bible readers.

Those threadsignored the enormous impact of confirming by science that, indeed, Genesis was absolutely correct.

It supports divine knowledge that 3362 year ago, long before anyone could possibly have known for sure, Genesis stated that seven historical durations measure the sequence of cosmic evolution.


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Message 3 of 310 (682317)
12-01-2012 8:44 AM
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Setting the Topic
Hi Koh2u,

Since this thread didn't go through a vetting process over at Proposed New Topics I will clearly define the limits of this topic.

This thread is for discussing how well the eras described in Message 1 correspond to the creation account in Genesis. Arguments should be based upon facts and evidence.

This thread is not for Bible bashing, nor is it for accusing others of being Bible bashers. This thread is not for personalizing the debate. Please stick to the facts and focus narrowly on the topic. Anyone having problems in this thread should post to the Report Discussion Problems Here 4.0 thread.

Edited by Admin, : Typo.


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Message 4 of 310 (682319)
12-01-2012 8:56 AM
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Re: Setting the Topic

This thread is not for Bible bashing, nor is it for accusing others of being Bible bashers.

Oh,... good.

Let's objectively look first at whether Genesis records in the events of its "days" the things which science tells us actually did happen during those seven Eras.

The first Era in both cases corresponds to the initial Big Bang creation of all the existing matter of the cosmos, hurling out into Space/time until the formation of the Earth into a sphere, which marked the late morning of the second Hadean "day."

Here is what we might assume a comprehensive modern reading of Gen 1:1 is actually saying:

Gen. 1:1 In the beginning, (the Formative/Cosmology Era), God, (the Uncaused First Cause, or the Dark Energy which pre-existed the material Universe, perhaps), created... (all that which has followed the Big Bang from the singularity of Planck Time which consisted of

Seven Stages:
1) The Inflation Era
2) The Quark Era
3) Hadron Era
4) Lepton Era
5) Nucleosynthesis Era
6) Opaque Era
7) Matter Era,...
in an enormous Einsteinian energy transformation, E = mC^2),...
... the (matter composing the) heaven (beyond the Solar System) and the (accretion disk which was yet to congeal into a spherical planet) earth.

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Message 5 of 310 (682321)
12-01-2012 9:15 AM
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12-01-2012 8:23 AM


Hi kofh,

kfh2u writes:

It supports divine knowledge that 3362 year ago, long before anyone could possibly have known for sure, Genesis stated that seven historical durations measure the sequence of cosmic evolution.

I have read Genesis chapter 1 in Hebrew, Greek, and English and I can not for the life of me find your seven historical durations as you present them.

I do find where "in the beginning God created the Heavens and the Earth".

This Heaven and Earth existed at the end of the statement in Genesis 1:1.

So where do you find the seven historical durations you are talking about?

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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kofh2u writes:


Those threadsignored the enormous impact of confirming by science that, indeed, Genesis was absolutely correct.

It supports divine knowledge that 3362 year ago, long before anyone could possibly have known for sure, Genesis stated that seven historical durations measure the sequence of cosmic evolution.

You may want to see EvoWiki's response to this specific claim.

At any rate, so-called "Biblical scientific foreknowledge" is, in my opinion, absolutely worthless in and of itself, even if it were the case. That simple observations of nature (i.e. certain causes and effects) recorded by some ancient peoples is hardly earth-shaking; in fact it could be seen to be no more than the primitive beginnings of what we today call science.

On the other hand, a certain handful of Old Testament passages have been trumpeted as genuine divinely-inspired scientific foreknowledge, even though most of them comes from what is clearly Hebrew poetry, including the Genesis 1 narrative(!). And, like any poetry, such creative writings are absolutely rife with metaphorical allusions, which themselves could be interpreted in dozens of alternative ways (scientific interpretations being the most strained).

Even if a given passage of the Bible is actually relaying accurate scientific knowledge of some sort, exactly how are we to know, except well after the fact of later scientific discoveries??? Note that I do not bash the Bible in saying this, but am merely pointing out the obvious limitations and lack of utility of misusing the Bible in this absurd way.


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Message 7 of 310 (682327)
12-01-2012 9:33 AM
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Hi, kofh2u. I'm not here to bash the Bible or anything else.

But it seems to me that your argument's burden here is huge. The number 7 is a mystical number not only in Christianity but in other religions and mystical traditions, from Pythagorean numerology to New Age 7-note chords of creation. The Bible itself is replete with 7s, as well as other numbers of sacred significance.

So your burden here, as I see it, is to provide an argument for ancient mystical knowledge of seven ages of creation that is so compelling that it eliminates the possibility of mere coincidence.

At present, coincidence seems more persuasive. Nor does it seem all that remarkable a coincidence, given how richly endowed Jewish and Christian texts are with sacred and mystical numerology.

My older brother has been married 3 times; all of his wives were born on the same month and day (10/3). That's a remarkable coincidence, but it doesn't make me believe in astrology.

Why should I believe the ancient authors of Genesis intuited the stages of the Big Bang, a staggering notion, for sure, rather than the more prosaic notion that they simply chose a number with mystical significance to enumerate the days of their creation story?


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Message 8 of 310 (682332)
12-01-2012 10:44 AM
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1) I can not for the life of me find your seven historical durations as you present them.

2) I do find where "in the beginning God created the Heavens and the Earth".
This Heaven and Earth existed at the end of the statement in Genesis 1:1.

3) So where do you find the seven historical durations you are talking about?

Check the Hebrew word used for "day" so we agree that this term means any appropriate duration as opposed exclusively to a 24 hour duration.
The word could mean an Age or even half a day, depending.
Hence if we assume that the 24 hour Earth Day did not exist when the creation story begins, it is fair to infer the duration could be eons long if our context suggsest this to be the case:

2) The instant of the Big Bang created all the matter in the universe immediately throug it would be over billions of years before that matter differentiated into specific galaxies, stars, and an Earth.
But at the Big Bang, some First Cause did create the heavens and the Earth at that moment.

3) We find the "seven historical durations" marked in the rocks by various events which record the History of the Earth.
These are illstrated and even described in the Opening post above.

But we read in Genesis about the same events, occurring in the same sequence and time frame but referred to as days.

For instance, in Gen 1:9 we read about the first Pangea-like event taking place in the evening of the Archean eon and the dawning of the Proterozoic eon which corresponds to the the third "day" designation in Genesis:

Gen. 1:9 And (Father Nature, the first cause), God, said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, (Panthalassa), and let (Pangea/Rodinia), the dry land appear: (composed of the Seven Large Tectonic Plates):

1. North American Plate,
2. Pacific Plate,
3. South American Plate,
4. African Plate,
5. Eurasian Plate,
6. Anartic Plate,
7. Australian Plate),...

...and it was so.


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Message 9 of 310 (682334)
12-01-2012 10:56 AM
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12-01-2012 9:24 AM


1) "Biblical scientific foreknowledge" is, in my opinion, absolutely worthless in and of itself

2) merely pointing out the obvious limitations and lack of utility of misusing the Bible in this absurd way

3) recordings by some ancient peoples is hardly earth-shaking; in fact it could be seen to be no more than the primitive beginnings of what we today call science.

4) such creative writings are absolutely rife with metaphorical allusions, which themselves could be interpreted in dozens of alternative ways

5) Even if a given passage of the Bible is actually relaying accurate scientific knowledge of some sort, exactly how are we to know,

Stick around for awhile.
Your initial naysaying and opinionated position on this subject is exacly why this post was started.

Be patient and try to be open to being dead wrong as you are actually will find you are, assuming there is some intellectual integrity to work with here.

Also take note of your firm position on this matter before you even heard what Theistic Evolution bible interpretations have to say.

That kind of position ties uop a lot of Ego.
i
It makes it very difficult to be open to other points of view, because human natuire is such as to resist being wrong and will dismiss facts and evidence easily as a defense.


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Message 10 of 310 (682335)
12-01-2012 11:02 AM
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12-01-2012 10:44 AM


You don't even read your own sources do you?
Sorry but the very chart you provided refutes your assertion.

That seems to be pretty typical behavior.

Note that your very own chart says that a day equals a 24 hour period as defined by evening and morning in Genesis 1.

You really haven't read the Bible, have you?

quote:
Genesis 1

King James Version (KJV)

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.

23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.


Seven 24 hour periods.

It really is that simple.

Your assertion that 'The SEVEN "DAYS" WERE GEOLOGICAL ERAS ' is refuted and I expect you to stop posting falsehoods.


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 11 of 310 (682336)
12-01-2012 11:04 AM
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12-01-2012 9:33 AM


But it seems to me that your argument's burden here is huge. The number 7 is a mystical number not only in Christianity but in other religions and mystical traditions, from Pythagorean numerology to New Age 7-note chords of creation. The Bible itself is replete with 7s, as well as other numbers of sacred significance.

So your burden here, as I see it, is to provide an argument for ancient mystical knowledge of seven ages of creation that is so compelling that it eliminates the possibility of mere coincidence.

I hear U.

What you say is really important and most interesting because that is exactly where all this eventually leads. The Genesis story in really an example of using the special numbers which the bible brings to our attention.

The twelve Acts-of God in Genesis 1, performed during seven steps of unfolding cosmic evolution present us with an illustration for what the priests called the Urim and Thummim.

But that is off topic right now.

(You are very intuitive)


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Message 12 of 310 (682337)
12-01-2012 11:16 AM
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Re: You don't even read your own sources do you?

Note that your very own chart says that a day equals a 24 hour period as defined by evening and morning in Genesis

1) Yes, Strong's Concordance first explains that yowm refers to an indefinite duration of time.
He then tells us that we are always to deduce the length of the duration by appealing to the context.

then, in the ancient but erroneous tradition of assuming the ending and dawning of each phase refers to earthly days of 24 hours, Strong does us the disservice of assuming the context meant in Gen 1 is an Earth Day.

But, in the context that these durations are eras long, the Theistic evolution bible reader is equally justified in assuming yowm means an Age.

2) But we also can refer to the scripture that tells us that a day is like a thousand years to god.

3) Additionally, comprehensive readers will note that the 24 hour day is created way later on, in Gen 1:14, when the sun and the moon are assigned authority over the Solar Clock for the first time in the story.
Before this event, there could not have been a 24 hour day.

But more to the heart of the matter of interpretation, this verse, Gen 1:14, clues us in to realize that the seven cosmic "days" are definitely NOT earth days.

Edited by kofh2u, : No reason given.


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Message 13 of 310 (682338)
12-01-2012 11:22 AM
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12-01-2012 11:16 AM


Re: You don't even read your own sources do you?
Bullshit.

Your own source says that the use in Genesis 1 is a 24 hour day.

There is no mention of geologic eras in Genesis 1 and what you post are not geologic eras anyway.

Sorry but your idea is just bullshit.

It really is that simple.


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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12-01-2012 12:07 PM
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12-01-2012 11:04 AM


What you say is really important and most interesting because that is exactly where all this eventually leads. The Genesis story in really an example of using the special numbers which the bible brings to our attention.

Numerology is always lame. But in this case what you are insisting on is that the numbers are more important than even the words in the Bible. And in my opinion, you need to provide some reason for that to be true before anyone ought to consider what you say.

For example, it is more important to you that there are seven days and seven eras than it is that none of the stuff Genesis says happens on day four is remotely as described whichever era you are claiming corresponds. I am not going to pick which era that is, because there is no rational choice that corresponds.

Essentially what you are proposing is this. Somebody made up a story, and the story has seven days in it because there are seven eras in some possible telling of scientific creation.

And in essence, my question for you is, give me one good reason to read more of this.

Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.


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The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison.

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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12-01-2012 10:44 AM


Seven, the hard way...
1. North American Plate,
2. Pacific Plate,
3. South American Plate,
4. African Plate,
5. Eurasian Plate,
6. Anartic Plate,
7. Australian Plate),

This is not a complete list of the plates.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison.

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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