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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Tangle writes: ... what we didn't do was say that because some thugs carry knives then everyone should. That would be preposterous wouldn't it? quote: I carry two. (I've never even met anybody who owns a gun "for protection".)
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
It isn't that we don't understand the positions you take. It's more like we don't understand why anybody would take such idiotic positions - or where they get the chutzpah to "argue" them.
No such thing as EVER understanding the position of a creationist on this ugly excuse for a forum.
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Catholic Scientist writes:
What you're saying, basically, is that once a right is bestowed and/or recognized, it should be difficult to remove it. If you have a right for something, then you should get it by default. The problem is that the "right" to own guns never should have been declared. Now that it has been, it's as hard to get rid of as the right to life, liberty and the pursuit od happiness. It's a case of you-can't-get-there-from-here. You can't unbreak the eggs. The best you can do is make an omelet.
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Catholic Scientist writes:
So let's make it a Catch-22 situation: If you want a gun you're crazy and you can't have one. If you don't want a gun you're sane and you can have all you want.
For example, in addition to being kept from felons, the FOID card is kept from anyone who has been incarcerated in a mental institution.
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Coyote writes:
The difference being that bicycles serve a useful purpose.
Criminologist: 'More Youngsters Killed in Bicycle Accidents' Than with Guns
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Catholic Scientist writes:
No, that's me saying that bicycles are useful and guns are not - like cars are useful and crack cocaine is not. ringo writes:
Is that you admitting that their ultimate goal is not saving kids lives in schools? The difference being that bicycles serve a useful purpose. We make allowances for the dangers of things that serve a useful purpose. For things that have no useful purpose, we don't have to.
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Catholic Scientist writes:
I should think that having live children instead of dead children is a significant goal for anybody.
So you do think their ultimate goal is saving kids lives in schools?
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
Based on the myth that it was an armed populace that won the American Revolution?
Disarming the citizens would make it easier for a coup to take place, right?
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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quote:Instead of being smart enough to recognize the shooter, I wish it was smart enough to recognize the shootee. (Identification: toddler. Nope, ain't gonna shoot that.)
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Jon writes:
I would like that very much, thank you. Call them 'gun nutters' if you'd like.... What kind of nut wraps his guns in the Constitution and then denies me the right to the gun that I want? - one that my child can't use to shoot his classmates and my wife can't use to shoot me and my aging mother doesn't confuse with a cigarette lighter. And what kind of nut says his position is valid?
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Catholic Scientist writes:
I don't think there's any way to safely shoot at people in a crowded city.
Gun safety is both easy and effective if you follow the rules.
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Catholic Scientist writes:
So if you lve in a crowded city where you might "need" a gun to defend youself, you can't.
ringo writes:
Yeah, one of the rules is that you don't do that. I don't think there's any way to safely shoot at people in a crowded city.
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Catholic Scientist writes:
The same kind of idiot who wants a gun to defend himself, apparently.
Yup, what kind of idiot wants to live in a crowded city?
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Catholic Scientist writes:
And yet it seems like most of the gun-related deaths are in the cities. Somebody must have forgotten their safety training.
I think you'll find that most of the honest law-abiding people that live in crowded cities are for more strict gun control laws.
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Catholic Scientist writes:
Um... somebody earlier was pointing out all the wonderful usage of guns against criminals. Isn't blazing away at criminals in cities dangerous? Yeah, they're called "criminals". Edited by ringo, : No reason given.
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