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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8552 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
I guess "Hell no" isn't very specific... Understatement. Yes, you as the authorized legal purchaser of a firearm may transfer its ownership, as a gift, to anyone legally qualified for gun ownership in their state of residence. Just like a vehicle, all legal paperwork required by the state of the person receiving the gift, being filed. So giving your brother a shotgun for christmas or receiving a handgun as a gift from a friend? Barring any legal hold, hell yes, it can be done.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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AZPaul3 writes:
My hell no was more to the question, "SHOULD it be done?" I have no doubt that it CAN be done in many places. I wouldn't be surprised if there were places in the US where there are no "legal holds" to giving firearms to toddlers. The problem we are discussing in this thread is that the existing legal holds are woefully inadequate.
Barring any legal hold, hell yes, it can be done.
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Percy Member Posts: 22492 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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Erik Eckholm writes in today's New York times:
quote: Article here: Rampage Killings Get Attention, but Gun Violence Is Constant --Percy
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3988 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 6.9
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ringo writes: I have no doubt that it CAN be done in many places. I wouldn't be surprised if there were places in the US where there are no "legal holds" to giving firearms to toddlers. The problem we are discussing in this thread is that the existing legal holds are woefully inadequate. Straw buyers move an enormous number of guns here in the U.S., and from here to Mexico. In states where guns cannot be bought or held by the accused in domestic abuse cases, straw buyers routinely rearm them. Gun dealers continue to be upset in the southwest because they have to report same-day sales to the same individual of five or more high-powered rifles. Such a grossly over-regulated drag on doing business... On the other hand, it's good for labor: If your oil field job washed out, you can probably find work as a straw buyer. The southeastern states provide most of the guns to the northeast through one form of straw buying or another, all with the intent to resell to folks in other states who could not legally obtain them. There's a lot of money in them there guns. Edited by Omnivorous, : No reason given."If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads." Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.-Terence
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Percy Member Posts: 22492 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Small one this time, at Arizona University in Flagstaff, not much information yet: Suspect in custody after shooting at N. Arizona University leaves 1 dead
--Percy
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2
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As I see it there are two rightwing , ammosexual fantasies that drive them. One is the idea that a good guy with a gun can stop a bad guy with a gun. When you actually look at it, this is a very scary idea. The last thing we need is untrained or minimally trained people engaging in firefights. Americans have watched too many moves and played too many video games. The idea that a weekend of training makes one capable of stopping a school shooting is ridiculous. Law enforcement and armed forces receive continual training and many instances with law enforcement show that even what they receive is not enough.
The crazy thing is that schools that have armed teachers are providing minimal training. Argyle School district in Texas has a 30-hour training course that involves firing 900 rounds of ammunition. Error 404 - Page Not Found Even military veterans say this is a bad idea. Page not found | The Nation The second right wing ammosexual fantasy is the whole I am going to save the US from a tyrannical government. No one can show that this was the intent of the 2nd amendment. The founders were actually worried about the armed rabble and that is why they were for an armed, organized, well regulated militia. Not these yahoos in their self styled militias we have today. That is another argument for another day. In order to justify their need to oppose government tyranny is the myth that armed farmers, shopkeepers and laborers defeated the British in the Revolutionary War. This is myth and revisionist history. The rabble got their asses kicked every time they went up against the British regulars. The continental forces did not achieve anything of significance until they were trained and were a real army. The armed rabble usually were a hindrance because they had no discipline. The militia, being undisciplined and prone to panic caused the loss of a few battles. The Battle of Camden is a prime example. Militia and armed rabble can not stand against regular army troops.During the latter years of the war the militias were used to draw in the British, who knew the militia forces would break easily. This was used brilliantly by General Daniel Morgan at the Battle of Cowpens. So what was the key to winning the Revolutionary War, if not the armed populace, which is over emphasized. Gun ownership was much lower than what people perceive. Guns were expensive and for someone that lived in a town or city, they had no practical purpose. Remember this is before most industrialization or cartridge guns. Handguns would have been extremely rare. The key to winning the Revolutionary War was the British unable to or unwilling to commit the resources needed and the French Kingdom.If Rochambeau had not convinced Washington to give up his plan to retake New York or if De Grasse had not defeated the British Navy at the Battle of the Chesapeake. There is a good chance the USA as it is never would have come into being. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. |
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
quote: It's possible that this turned out exactly the way gun enthusiasts wanted it to, because God forbid anyone get into a confrontation and get his butt whupped. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
quote:My first thought was that it was a bizarre end to a debate: reductio ad firearm.
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It's Latin: Reductio ad pistolium
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3988 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 6.9
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Just more student shenanigans. Look at the fun to be had in Texas:
quote: Tradition is big in Texas. Oh, and elsewhere in Texas academe: Southern Texas University: Second fatal shooting on a U.S. campus today Good times! Party hearty football schools with guns... What could go wrong?"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads." Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.-Terence
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1431 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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It's possible that this turned out exactly the way gun enthusiasts wanted it to, because God forbid anyone get into a confrontation and get his butt whupped. Hate radios finest hour. by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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vimesey Member (Idle past 99 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined:
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This story seems to be creating something of a buzz:
Texas university students in dildo protest over gun law - BBC NewsCould there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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Percy Member Posts: 22492 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Woman in Michigan Charged After Shooting at Fleeing Shoplifters
If we can't use our guns to deter criminals, what good are they?
quote: The criminals did not represent a threat to the shooter or anyone else, and apparently in Michigan a criminal has to threaten you or someone before you can use your own weapon. The lesson in all this? Shoplifters in Michigan should wear educational signs saying, "You can't shoot at me, I'm unarmed." --Percy
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3988 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
I can't believe you didn't lead your post with this quote:
quote: The former could be a tragedy; the latter would be in all cicumstances embarrassing. Family values. Edited by Omnivorous, : No reason given."If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads." Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.-Terence
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