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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 284 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
I am not sure what you are trying to prove Dr. A. As anyone who knows anything knows, within the last 3 years, 3 people have died and literally hundreds injured in the USA as a result of malicious use of the APC: I'm not sure of your point, but that's pretty much why we don't let children play with pressure cookers.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 284 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Of course it is entirely possible that the sheriff did offer some really bad advice. But his advice would be so astoundingly bad in this case, that I thought we might consider other possibilities. Fair point.
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined:
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I'm not sure of your point, but that's pretty much why we don't let children play with pressure cookers. I was mocking the amount of police attention pressure cookers received after Boston.
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saab93f Member (Idle past 1394 days) Posts: 265 From: Finland Joined:
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Please, for love of anything good, do something to stop these kind of horrors happening. A hyperbole perhaps but you just don't have these kind of gun-related deaths ANYWHERE else.
Albuquerque road rage: 4-year-old shot; man in custody - CNN
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1404 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
daily show gun control jessica - Bing video
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Straggler Member Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined:
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All societies have their nutters and any of us could potentially lose the plot and do something terrible. In Sweden today a guy walked into a school with a sword. 2 dead and 2 others critically injured.
Now imagine the havoc this guy could have caused if armed with a gun instead. It's not about "good guys" and "bad guys". It's about the fact there will always be deranged people, accidents and flare ups between people. The question is whether or not throwing guns into that mix will make things better or worse. Worse seems to be the obvious answer.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
The question is whether or not throwing guns into that mix will make things better or worse. Why is that the question? And what is the point of asking it?
Worse seems to be the obvious answer. Well, obviously guns are more effective weapons. What's your point?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7
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Wow! There can be no rational discourse on the subject with gun nuts can there.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Percy Member Posts: 22388 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.2
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Cat Sci writes: The question is whether or not throwing guns into that mix will make things better or worse.
Why is that the question? And what is the point of asking it? Obtuseness as a debate strategy. Interesting. --Percy
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Cat Sci writes: The question is whether or not throwing guns into that mix will make things better or worse.
Why is that the question? And what is the point of asking it? Obtuseness as a debate strategy. Interesting. I'd rather not make false assumptions. I *think* I get the point, but it sounds ridiculous. So I figure I should get clarity from the author before explaining how stupid these questions are. Is that a bad strategy?
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1503 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined:
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Well, obviously guns are more effective weapons. What's your point? Perhaps, but here is what the trusty sword has going for it. Swords do not need ammo.They have no moving parts to fail They are impervious to the elements ie: mud,sand,water,temperature fluctuations * They do not require great skill to hack someone to death with They have been killing people in mass for thousands of years The massacre in Rwanda showed what can be done with a machete and a motivated group with murder on they're mind. The sword; efficiently killing folks in mass since the iron age.Heh do I sound like a sword salesman? Edited by 1.61803, : added* Edited by 1.61803, : spelling Edited by 1.61803, : No reason given."You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Cat Sci writes:
The obvious point would be that weapons aren't appropriate in every situation.
Well, obviously guns are more effective weapons. What's your point?
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Diomedes Member Posts: 995 From: Central Florida, USA Joined:
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Cat Sci writes: The obvious point would be that weapons aren't appropriate in every situation.Well, obviously guns are more effective weapons. What's your point? To further the point, the notion is that certain weapons are capable of tremendous amounts of death and destruction. So how do we, as a society, draw a line in the sand with regards to which weapons the general populace should have access to? One of the primary arguments that gun proponents make is that the citizenry needs to be armed in order to have the capability of fighting back against an oppressive or corrupt government. By extension of that logic, that would seem to indicate that the citizenry should be given access to the same types of weapons the military has at their disposal. Now I ask, even the most ardent gun supporter, is that really what you honestly want? Do we want to foster a scenario where individuals who have the funds are free to purchase any form of military ordinance they like? i.e. tanks, fighter jets, missiles, bazookas, stinger launch systems, SAMS, land mines, grenades, VX gas rockets, etc? The point here is: we are living in the 21st century. There are weapons and technology available that the Founding Fathers could scarcely conceive of. Would they have drafted the second amendment in its current guise if they had known? Hard to say. But I would argue they DID take that notion into account by injecting one specific word in the 2nd amendment:
quote: Keyword: REGULATED I would echo what others here have stipulated: we are living in a time where a single individual can wreak havoc with a small arsenal of weapons at their disposal. Simply shrugging it off as a consequence of our existing gun laws drives home the point that they indeed do need to change. And Congress (both Repubs AND Dems) need to grow a pair and stand up to the lunatic fringe in the NRA.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
One of the primary arguments that gun proponents make is that the citizenry needs to be armed in order to have the capability of fighting back against an oppressive or corrupt government.
This is a gun nut fantasy that has no basis in reality. The founding fathers never expressed this interest and it has never happened in real life.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Percy Member Posts: 22388 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
Theodoric writes: This is a gun nut fantasy that has no basis in reality. The founding fathers never expressed this interest and it has never happened in real life. The Whiskey Rebellion? --Percy
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