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RAZD Member (Idle past 1426 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
... The founding fathers never expressed this interest ... And in fact put in the Constitution that the militias were to be organized as needed by the states and used to suppress insurrections rather than instigate them, and that they would be under the command of the state and then ultimately the president.
... and it has never happened in real life. John Brown? There have in fact been many instances of insurrections (see Howard Zinn), but none of them have been with a state militia attacking the federal government. Enjoy Edited by RAZD, : clrtyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
You and Percy seem to have misunderstood me. Insurrections have happened, but they have not been the the masses armed with their personal weapons overthrowing the government.
The whiskey rebellion would be a strange example for the gun nuts to use. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Theodoric writes:
By gun-nut logic, terrorists ought to have the right to bear arms against the government.
The whiskey rebellion would be a strange example for the gun nuts to use.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
They would have to show that they really aren't standing up for the Constitution and rule of law. They would also have to show that their so called reverence for the founders is in actuality an opportunistic sham.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Theodoric writes:
I forgot that no American - not even a rabid terrorist - would dream of challenging the Holy Constitution.
They would have to show that they really aren't standing up for the Constitution and rule of law.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
You and Percy seem to have misunderstood me. Insurrections have happened, but they have not been the the masses armed with their personal weapons overthrowing the government. There have been a few examples of armed insurrections, with the most famous one being the Wilmington Massacre/Insurrection/Race Riot. I can understand why gun nuts don't bother to cite those. ABE: Gun nuts do cite the Battle of Athens as an example. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3985 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 7.2 |
ringo writes: I forgot that no American - not even a rabid terrorist - would dream of challenging the Holy Constitution. My sophomore civics teacher was a raging conservative in the midst of the 60s. When he called me a liberal for opposing the war and supporting universal healthcare and income guarantees, I told him, no, I'm a power-seeking radical It was a close call, whether he could sputter out that the Constitution would stop me before his head exploded. After I coolly informed him that I had neither signed the Constitution nor taken any oath to support it, I spent some quality time in the principal's office. But as a Good American, I recognize now that was truly a sophomoric attitude. Really."If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads." Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.-Terence
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vimesey Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined:
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Dog named Trigger shoots owner in the foot - BBC News
There is clearly only one possible response to this situation: all dogs must immediately be armed ! (With muzzle loaders, naturally). That way, whenever a good dog sees a bad dog about to shoot its owner, the good dog can kill it first. It's the only logical and rational response to this tragedy. (Oh, and more animal psychologists too, to help tackle the root cause of mentally ill animals).Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ? |
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vimesey Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined:
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A dog walks into a saloon, blood dripping from its front leg. It looks round at the cowboys, rustlers, gamblers and townsfolk with an air of menace, and slowly drawls "I'm lookin' for the sunnabitch who shot ma paw !"
Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ? |
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Heard people are buying guns in Europe
Islamic Invasion Pulls Trigger: Europe Now Scrambling for Guns And it's mostly women getting the guns because Islamic men have carte blanche from Allah to rape and otherwise mistreat nonMuslim women. Reports on rapes in Germany by the "migrants."Just a moment... More stories: Germany in a state of SIEGE after Angela Merkel opened floodgates to migrants | Daily Mail Online Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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vimesey Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined: |
No, we don't wish we had the second amendment.
We've had healthy, vibrant and active Muslim communities in Europe for decades, and despite some isolated (albeit tragic) attacks by minority wackos, there has never been any call for us to suddenly arm ourselves to the teeth in gibbering fear. We're made of sterner stuff.Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.5 |
vimesey writes: We're made of sterner stuff. Chuckle. Here's a photo of Londoners suddenly arming yourselves to the teeth in gibbering fear.
The reason?
quote:Olympic security: London's green space transformed by anti-aircraft guns for Olympic ring of steel | Daily Mail Online So far, gibbering americans wouldn't put anti-aircrft weapon atop their own apartment buildings. Errrm, . . . so far.
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vimesey Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined: |
An absence of gibbering fear does not equate to a failure on the part of the security forces to take precautions. Are you suggesting a binary choice between no preventative action at all, and arming all citizens ?
Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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vimesey Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined: |
So far, gibbering americans wouldn't put anti-aircrft weapon atop their own apartment buildings. Just some SAMs around the key targets in Washington... America's Capitol Is Guarded By Norwegian Surface-To-Air Missiles (I have no idea how reliable this is as a source, but the language used is measured, and it obviously makes sense, in the context of taking sensible precautions)Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.5 |
Oh Vimesey. I usually like your posts. How disappointing.
It seems your answer implies you would be quite happy and secure knowing there are batteries of anti-aircraft weaponry on the roof of your home for the sake of finding out who in the world is the best twirler or jumper, or whatever the olympic games measure. Ewww.
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