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Dr Adequate
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Message 4966 of 5179 (787140)
07-05-2016 9:45 AM
Reply to: Message 4960 by Coyote
07-03-2016 10:17 PM


Responsible Gun Owner Of The Week
There is no such thing as dangerous weapons, only dangerous people.

Florida father accidentally shoots and kills his 14-year-old son at worlds safest gun range.

But I guess if he hadn't had a gun he'd have accidentally beaten his son to death with his bare hands.


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Message 4967 of 5179 (787142)
07-05-2016 10:46 AM
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07-05-2016 9:45 AM


Re: Responsible Gun Owner Of The Week
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/04/us/florida-father-shoots-son/

Clayton Brumby on shooting is son at the world's safest gun range:

quote:
"The gun didn't kill my boy. I did," he told CNN.

The incident has not changed his views of guns, he said. He still intends to keep them in the home and use them for self-defense of his home and family.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams


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Message 4968 of 5179 (787144)
07-05-2016 11:30 AM
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07-05-2016 10:46 AM


Re: Responsible Gun Owner Of The Week
That's very ... responsible ... of him.
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Message 4969 of 5179 (787145)
07-05-2016 11:39 AM
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07-05-2016 10:46 AM


Re: Responsible Gun Owner Of The Week
I wonder if there's a limit. Is there a number of beloved family members a gun lover is prepared to see die, before they might be prepared to agree that gun ownership is inherently more dangerous than not owning a gun.

Maybe it's the majority of family members in the household - because then, by definition, your guns will have caused more deaths, than lives they could save in the house by successfully defending against home invaders.


Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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Message 4970 of 5179 (796169)
12-23-2016 6:22 PM


Responsible gun owner of the month,
http://www.cnn.com/...toddler-fatally-shoots-self/index.html

quote:
The 2-year-old son of a Cleveland police officer fatally shot himself with his father's service weapon Friday morning, police said in a statement.

Officers responded to a home on Library Avenue about 10:30 a.m. and took the child to MetroHealth Medical Center, where he was pronounced dead.
The boy's unidentified father has been with department since 1993.


Further demonstration of the adage, "Guns don't kill people. Toddlers kill people."


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson

Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith


  
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Message 4971 of 5179 (796427)
12-29-2016 10:13 PM


Responsible Gun Owner Of The Week
There've been so many thousands and thousands of Isolated Incidents this year that one more Isolated Incident hardly seems worth mentioning. And yet sometimes a Responsible Gun Owner goes above and beyond in his quest for responsibility, and we should salute him for it.

M. D. Harmon, a conservative columnist who frequently wrote in favor of gun ownership rights for the Portland Press Herald, died this week after being accidentally shot by a teenage boy.

As the Press Herald itself reports, the 71-year-old Harmon was showing off one of his guns to a 16-year-old boy in his home in Sanford, Maine, on Wednesday. Harmon apparently let the teenager handle the weapon, which went off while the boy was holding it.

[...]

Harmon was a dedicated defender of gun ownership rights and would regularly rail against attempts to regulate firearms or even make the use of firearms safer.

In a 2013 column, for instance, Harmon attacked proposed legislation in Maine that would have required gun owners to take a firearm safety course in fact, he referred to this section of the legislation as the worst part of the bill.


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Message 4972 of 5179 (796621)
01-01-2017 7:10 PM


First Responsible Gun Owner Of The Year
5-year-old girl killed by celebratory gunfire just minutes into New Years Day.

Still, at least she didn't take his freedom. So the glass is half full.


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Message 4973 of 5179 (796625)
01-01-2017 8:18 PM
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01-01-2017 7:10 PM


Re: First Responsible Gun Owner Of The Year
5-year-old girl killed

A mere misdemeanor, apparently. If he had killed her with a car that would have been a felony.

Still, at least she didn't take his freedom.

At worst the State will give him a year in prison, but they might let him off with a fine. And Justice For All.


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Message 4974 of 5179 (796630)
01-01-2017 11:12 PM


Man with concealed-carry permit fatally shoots would-be robber
Man with concealed-carry permit fatally shoots would-be robber

http://chicago.suntimes.com/...-attempted-robbery-in-chatham

A man with a concealed-carry license fatally shot a would-be robber in Chatham Friday afternoon, sources said.

The 23-year-old man was walking in the 8200 block of South Ingleside about 1:54 p.m. when another male pulled out a gun and tried to rob him, according to police.

A fight broke out and the 23-year-old, who was licensed to carry a firearm, pulled out his own gun and shot the would-be robber in the head, killing him, sources said.

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Message 4975 of 5179 (796631)
01-01-2017 11:48 PM
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01-01-2017 11:12 PM


Re: Man with concealed-carry permit fatally shoots would-be robber
Hooray! guns will protect us from the ever-present menace posed by ... er ... people with guns.

Unless we happen to be five-year-old girls, of course.


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Message 4976 of 5179 (796636)
01-02-2017 8:26 AM
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01-01-2017 11:12 PM


Re: Man with concealed-carry permit fatally shoots would-be robber
The man was shot, too:

quote:
The 23-year-old was shot in the hip during the fight and taken to Stroger Hospital, where his condition was stabilized, according to police.

--Percy


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Message 4977 of 5179 (796639)
01-02-2017 9:09 AM
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01-01-2017 11:12 PM


Re: Man with concealed-carry permit fatally shoots would-be robber
Man with concealed-carry permit fatally shoots would-be robber

So what about the other 761 people who were shot dead in Chicago this past year? Or the 2788 who were shot but didn't die? How many of those were self defense?

Just for a little context there have been 3,412 Americans killed by terrorists from 2001-2014 inclusive and over 440,000 killed by non terrorist gun fire. You guys lose more people every 3 months to gun fire than you lost soldiers in the 7 years of the Iraq war. Is there any ratio so disproportionate as to make you rethink your position on unrestricted gun ownership?


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Message 4978 of 5179 (796641)
01-02-2017 9:20 AM
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01-02-2017 9:09 AM


Re: Man with concealed-carry permit fatally shoots would-be robber
So what about the other 761 people who were shot dead in Chicago this past year?

Thank God you guys are as socialists as you are. I wonder how much money the survivor would have to pay for the medical costs, the police investigation, the street cleanup, the paramedics, the coroners, the time lost from his own work etc vs how much money he'd have lost through the robbery.

Fortunately, it was merely the tax payers that got robbed instead!

abe: The Chicago Tribune has an answer!

quote:
The cost of a non-fatal hospitalization and follow-up care for a gunshot injury is $35,367 a year.

The cost for fatal wounds, obviously much less since there is no "follow-up," was between $12,000 and $13,000. The average cost of all gunshot injuries was $17,000.


Totally worth it.

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Message 4979 of 5179 (796642)
01-02-2017 9:52 AM
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01-02-2017 9:20 AM


Re: Man with concealed-carry permit fatally shoots would-be robber
It is becoming ever more apparent to me that most of the world's problems are caused by poor accounting practices.
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Message 4980 of 5179 (796658)
01-02-2017 4:10 PM
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01-02-2017 9:20 AM


Re: Man with concealed-carry permit fatally shoots would-be robber
Totally worth it.

Well, he got to keep his iPhone too!

On a serious note, protecting your belongings by ending a life at the cost of a few cents worth of bullets and a flesh would is totally acceptable bargain for some folks.

By the way, whatever happen to that case in Texas last year where the good Samaritan stopped a car jacking by shooting the car owner in the head and then "beat feet" before the police showed up?


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson

Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith

Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000


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