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Heathen
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Message 4996 of 5038 (812909)
06-21-2017 6:26 AM
Reply to: Message 4995 by Faith
06-21-2017 5:53 AM


Re: Guns kill 1,300 US children every year, study finds
How about taking guns away from Americans with insufficient/no training?

How about taking guns away from Americans with known mental health issues?

How about taking guns away from Americans who have previously proved themselves to be irresponsible by letting their infant children blow someone's head off?


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Faith
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Message 4997 of 5038 (812912)
06-21-2017 7:10 AM
Reply to: Message 4996 by Heathen
06-21-2017 6:26 AM


Re: Guns kill 1,300 US children every year, study finds
I'd mandate training, not take guns away. The other two cases, take them away.
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Porosity
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Message 4998 of 5038 (812926)
06-21-2017 9:26 AM


There could be a good reason why gun nuts appear to be stupider.

While there is no safe level of lead exposure, US health bodies regard 5 micrograms per deciliter of blood as the level that is cause for concern. This research finds that people using shooting ranges can record blood-lead levels as high as 40 micrograms.

"The kind of blood-lead levels found among shooters can lead to essential tremor, hypertension, cardiovascular-related mortality, electrocardiography abnormalities, decreased kidney function, psychiatric effects, decreased hearing, decreased cognitive function, decreased fertility, incidence of amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, adverse sperm parameters, increased spontaneous abortion, and reduced fetal growth in children."

https://www.sciencedaily.com/...ses/2017/04/170405101950.htm


    
Diomedes
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Message 4999 of 5038 (812943)
06-21-2017 12:03 PM
Reply to: Message 4996 by Heathen
06-21-2017 6:26 AM


Re: Guns kill 1,300 US children every year, study finds
How about taking guns away from Americans with insufficient/no training?

As a gun owner, I concur. I believe training is a core component of firearm safety and usage. And not just general training on being safe with the weapon. Training pertaining to how to respond in various situations. That could help mitigate the knee-jerk reactions that result in people drawing their firearm at the slightest inclination. And by the way, that includes police as well. Too many instances of a 'shoot first ask questions later' mentality in this country.

How about taking guns away from Americans with known mental health issues?

This is a no brainer. I would also go further and provide more provisions and support to families who have family members that exhibit mental health problems.

How about taking guns away from Americans who have previously proved themselves to be irresponsible by letting their infant children blow someone's head off?

Also a no brainer. The NRA would fight this tooth and nail, but they are beyond reproach at this stage.

A few things I would add:

- No guns for anyone on the terrorist watch list.
- Ban on assault weapons; guns in the hands of citizens should be defensive in nature. Assault weapons are the the very definition of an offensive weapon.
- Stricter penalties for the use of a gun in the commission of a crime.


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ringo
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Message 5000 of 5038 (812951)
06-21-2017 3:13 PM
Reply to: Message 4991 by Faith
06-20-2017 1:58 PM


Re: Guns kill 1,300 US children every year, study finds
Faith writes:

Of course I said nothing of the sort. Is that the best you can do?


Is that the best YOU can do? You mentioned "circumstances". What have "circumstances" got to do with it? It's the statistic that is appalling. What "circumstances" could make the statistic less appalling?
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ringo
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Message 5001 of 5038 (812952)
06-21-2017 3:18 PM
Reply to: Message 4999 by Diomedes
06-21-2017 12:03 PM


Re: Guns kill 1,300 US children every year, study finds
Diomedes writes:

guns in the hands of citizens should be defensive in nature.


A gun is not a defensive weapon. The idea that you can defend yourself with a gun is the problem, not the solution.
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Heathen
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Message 5002 of 5038 (812988)
06-22-2017 2:46 AM
Reply to: Message 4999 by Diomedes
06-21-2017 12:03 PM


Re: Guns kill 1,300 US children every year, study finds
quote:
The NRA would fight this tooth and nail, but they are beyond reproach at this stage

Something the pro-gun voters seem blissfully unaware of.
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Diomedes
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Message 5003 of 5038 (813069)
06-22-2017 2:07 PM
Reply to: Message 5001 by ringo
06-21-2017 3:18 PM


Re: Guns kill 1,300 US children every year, study finds
A gun is not a defensive weapon. The idea that you can defend yourself with a gun is the problem, not the solution.

Sorry, but I disagree. A Tae Kwon Do kick can be lethal. But I wouldn't call the usage of Tae Kwon Do as being a problem in defending oneself. It is a response to an attack. If a gun is used in response to an attack, it is being used in a defensive posture. Police use their guns for defense all the time.


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Message 5004 of 5038 (813070)
06-22-2017 2:48 PM
Reply to: Message 5002 by Heathen
06-22-2017 2:46 AM


Re: Guns kill 1,300 US children every year, study finds
Diomedes writes:

The NRA would fight this tooth and nail, but they are beyond reproach at this stage

Heather writes:

Something the pro-gun voters seem blissfully unaware of

Uh, do you two understand what "beyond reproach" means?


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson

Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith

Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000


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Message 5005 of 5038 (813071)
06-22-2017 2:51 PM
Reply to: Message 5003 by Diomedes
06-22-2017 2:07 PM


Re: Guns kill 1,300 US children every year, study finds
Police use their guns for defense all the time.

As has been highlighted in a couple of court cases this week, police use their guns to respond when afraid. Such responses are not always properly called "for defense".


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson

Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith

Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000


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Heathen
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Message 5006 of 5038 (813085)
06-23-2017 2:26 AM
Reply to: Message 5004 by NoNukes
06-22-2017 2:48 PM


Re: Guns kill 1,300 US children every year, study finds
Beyond reproach: "such that no criticism can be made"

In the eyes of the politicians in thrall to the gun lobby, the NRA is beyond reproach.
The (pro gun) voting public don't seem to see this selective blindness of the politicians.


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NoNukes
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Message 5007 of 5038 (813093)
06-23-2017 6:41 AM
Reply to: Message 5006 by Heathen
06-23-2017 2:26 AM


Re: Guns kill 1,300 US children every year, study finds
Nevermind... life's too short...

Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson

Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith

Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000


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ringo
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Message 5008 of 5038 (813130)
06-23-2017 11:40 AM
Reply to: Message 5003 by Diomedes
06-22-2017 2:07 PM


Re: Guns kill 1,300 US children every year, study finds
Diomedes writes:

If a gun is used in response to an attack, it is being used in a defensive posture.


But more often than not, guns are not used in "response" to an attack; they're used in anticipation of an attack. If the other guy shoots first, a gun won't help you.
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Message 5009 of 5038 (813790)
06-30-2017 1:19 PM


I suspect this is just business as usual for you guys but it got a lot of media attention here of the wtf? variety. Darwin Award?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40438207


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.

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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 5010 of 5038 (813818)
06-30-2017 11:29 PM
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06-30-2017 1:19 PM


Trump voters.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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