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Topic: Gun Control Again
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New Cat's Eye
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Message 5011 of 5179 (813853)
07-01-2017 11:23 AM
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Reply to: Message 5008 by ringo
06-23-2017 11:40 AM
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Re: Guns kill 1,300 US children every year, study finds
But more often than not, guns are not used in "response" to an attack; they're used in anticipation of an attack. Is that a fact or an opinion?
If the other guy shoots first, a gun won't help you. We just had a republican congressman get shot by a Bernie supporter whose life was saved, and probably a mass tragedy prevented, by the defensive use of guns in response to an attack where the other guy shot first.
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New Cat's Eye
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Well at least those Trump voters are shooting their selves rather than being like those Bernie supporters who are shooting others.
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4411 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.4
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Well at least those Trump voters are shooting their selves rather than being like those Bernie supporters who are shooting others. My comment was blurted out without really connecting to other events in the "news". Just a reaction to the irony of hard-line gun nuts shooting themselves and each other, proving they are not intelligent enough to be trusted with firearms. I've been almost entirely without news since May 24. By news, I mean information about events that impact people or things or places I care about. A month without the good or the bad has been quite refreshing. Now I have to decide how much I will let currents events intrude in my space.
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New Cat's Eye
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All of The NewsTM is shit and you're better off without it. Stay tuned out.
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Tangle
Member Posts: 9504 From: UK Joined: 10-07-2011 Member Rating: 4.7
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Yup, get off down to your church, get on your knees and praise the Lord. Hide from the world. Hallejuya!
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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New Cat's Eye
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Message 5016 of 5179 (813913)
07-02-2017 5:41 AM
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Reply to: Message 5015 by Tangle
07-02-2017 5:19 AM
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No, go outside and do stuff.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Re: Guns kill 1,300 US children every year, study finds
New Cat's Eye writes: ringo writes: If the other guy shoots first, a gun won't help you.
We just had a republican congressman get shot by a Bernie supporter whose life was saved, and probably a mass tragedy prevented, by the defensive use of guns in response to an attack where the other guy shot first.
You make my point. The police officers fired after the attacker's gunfire. Their guns did not protect the congressman. To be fair, they did protect other people who might have been shot.
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New Cat's Eye
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Message 5018 of 5179 (814008)
07-03-2017 12:00 PM
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Reply to: Message 5017 by ringo
07-03-2017 11:52 AM
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Re: Guns kill 1,300 US children every year, study finds
You make my point. You have a funny way of making your points look like other points. The other guy fired first, and then their guns helped them - something you said won't happen.
The police officers fired after the attacker's gunfire. Their guns did not protect the congressman. They prevented his death, I call that "protecting".
To be fair, they did protect other people who might have been shot. And killed. Defensive Gun Use for the win.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Re: Guns kill 1,300 US children every year, study finds
New Cat's Eye writes: They prevented his death, I call that "protecting".
They didn't prevent him from being shot in the first place.
New Cat's Eye writes: Defensive Gun Use for the win.
If you follow the thread, I said in Message 5001 that, "The idea that you can defend yourself with a gun is the problem, not the solution." YOURSELF. I concede that you can defend somebody else with a gun - but only if you shoot him BEFORE he shoots you.
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New Cat's Eye
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Message 5020 of 5179 (814020)
07-03-2017 12:38 PM
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Reply to: Message 5019 by ringo
07-03-2017 12:17 PM
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Re: Guns kill 1,300 US children every year, study finds
They didn't prevent him from being shot in the first place. So? Is your claim completely vacuous then?
If you follow the thread, I said in Message 5001 that, "The idea that you can defend yourself with a gun is the problem, not the solution." YOURSELF. I concede that you can defend somebody else with a gun - but only if you shoot him BEFORE he shoots you. Not necessarily - it depends on where you get shot.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Re: Guns kill 1,300 US children every year, study finds
New Cat's Eye writes: Is your claim completely vacuous then?
My claim is that you can't defend yourself with a gun. If the congressman had been running the bases with an M-16, a Colt 1911 and an RPG, he would still have been shot because he never saw his assailant.
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New Cat's Eye
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Message 5022 of 5179 (814025)
07-03-2017 12:54 PM
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Reply to: Message 5021 by ringo
07-03-2017 12:42 PM
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Re: Guns kill 1,300 US children every year, study finds
If the congressman had been running the bases with an M-16, a Colt 1911 and an RPG, he would still have been shot because he never saw his assailant. So yes, vacuous it is. It's dumb to equate "defending yourself with a gun" with "never getting shot".
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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Re: Guns kill 1,300 US children every year, study finds
New Cat's Eye writes: It's dumb to equate "defending yourself with a gun" with "never getting shot".
And I'm not doing that. I'm saying that if you get shot, you get shot. Having a gun won't prevent that.
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New Cat's Eye
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Message 5024 of 5179 (814032)
07-03-2017 1:08 PM
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Reply to: Message 5023 by ringo
07-03-2017 1:02 PM
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Re: Guns kill 1,300 US children every year, study finds
I'm saying that if you get shot, you get shot. Having a gun won't prevent that. Sure, but being shot doesn't mean that you cannot defend yourself.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Re: Guns kill 1,300 US children every year, study finds
New Cat's Eye writes: Sure, but being shot doesn't mean that you cannot defend yourself.
It means you didn't.
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