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Message 346 of 369 (826978)
01-15-2018 12:14 PM
Reply to: Message 336 by ICANT
01-15-2018 1:09 AM


Re: Eternal power (energy)
you don't understand how numbers work do you?

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
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ICANT
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Message 347 of 369 (827078)
01-17-2018 12:34 AM
Reply to: Message 340 by frako
01-15-2018 4:58 AM


Re: Eternal power (energy)
Hi frako,

frako writes:

Is there a vacuum outside the universe where this process could occur?

A perfect one not even space and time "inside it"

You sure about that?

What science agrees with you?

There is an absence of anything outside the universe according to science. Unless I have been given false information on this site.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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frako
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Message 348 of 369 (827080)
01-17-2018 3:20 AM
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01-17-2018 12:34 AM


Re: Eternal power (energy)
You do know what a vacuum is dont you?

Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.


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Message 349 of 369 (827086)
01-17-2018 8:10 AM
Reply to: Message 348 by frako
01-17-2018 3:20 AM


Re: Eternal power (energy)
You silly Czech taught me something today. I always thought a vacume is space devoid of matter. I was under the impression that 'vacuum' is second hand and inferior American English for 'vacume'. You taught me that spelling it as 'vacuum' is also English English!

Never too old to learn something.


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Message 350 of 369 (827088)
01-17-2018 8:30 AM
Reply to: Message 349 by Pressie
01-17-2018 8:10 AM


Re: Eternal power (energy)
LOL im Slovenian, the country where Americas first lady comes from Yea im sorry about her we all are.

Thing is the definition space devoid of matter might be outdated, since the term comes from a time where we thought of space more as a theatre stage, not this stretchy bendy thing we know it to be now. Would a vacuum that also lacks space be a vacuum.

Edited by frako, : No reason given.


Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.


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ICANT
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Message 351 of 369 (827130)
01-18-2018 12:19 AM
Reply to: Message 341 by Phat
01-15-2018 9:18 AM


Re: So What If God DID It?
Hi Phat,

Phat writes:

The reason that I frame my statements that way is to present my belief the way that many people at EvC would understand. jar taught me the idea that God cannot be proven, thus to frame the issue as a belief against reality is more honest than to declare that what I believe is reality.

How do you half believe? That does not seem logical.

If you want to discuss your pastor's conversation I think it would be better to start a thread with this post you made. Put it under Faith and Belief.

I think you have a problem believing Genesis 1:1.
But if you can't believe Genesis 1:1 you won't believe the rest. But if you believe Genesis 1:1 you will have no problem with the Bible. But if you study the Bible you will find in the translations where man put his stamp on it which resulted in mistranslations of words. But the original autographs contain no errors.

If you believe the Bible teaches the junk that Ken Ham puts forth and all the other YEC'S you are going to have trouble with that as it does not agree with the Bible or reality and what can be observed.

So if you would like to discuss what the Bible actually says start the thread as I suggested.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 352 of 369 (827132)
01-18-2018 1:50 AM
Reply to: Message 348 by frako
01-17-2018 3:20 AM


Re: Eternal power (energy)
Hi frako,

frako writes:

You do know what a vacuum is dont you?

Yes I do. Do you?

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 353 of 369 (827133)
01-18-2018 7:02 AM
Reply to: Message 352 by ICANT
01-18-2018 1:50 AM


Re: Eternal power (energy)
Changed post.

Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.


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Message 354 of 369 (827134)
01-18-2018 7:03 AM
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01-18-2018 1:50 AM


Re: Eternal power (energy)
Obviously you don't have a clue what a vacuum is, ICANT.

May the Holy FSM touch you with a tentacle.


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Message 355 of 369 (827146)
01-18-2018 10:44 AM
Reply to: Message 354 by Pressie
01-18-2018 7:03 AM


Re: Eternal power (energy)
Hi Pressie,

Pressie writes:

Obviously you don't have a clue what a vacuum is, ICANT.

What type of a vacuum are you talking about.

I have a pump that when I need to evacuate the Freon in an air conditioner that I can hook up and pump all the Freon out creating what is called a vacuum. This is in order to draw everything out of the lines and compressor. It is then replaced with new Freon.

It makes no difference how long I leave the pump hooked up I cannot remove everything in the compressor and lines.

If you are talking about a vacuum inside the universe one does not exist. For the same reason I cannot get everything out of the lines and compressor.

Science says that 96% of the universe is made up of dark matter, and dark energy.

What is dark matter? We don't know.
How does dark matter function? It has to hold the universe together.

What is dark energy? We don't know.
How does dark energy function? We don't know.

Since dark matter and dark energy make up 96% of the universe there is no place in the universe that is not occupied by energy, mass, matter, dark energy and dark matter. Even in my lines and compressor that I have pumped on for a long period with a vacuum pump.

If you are talking about a vacuum that 2 branes could have banged together in and caused the universe to begin to exist, where did it exist and what caused it to exist.

If you are talking about a vacuum that my wife uses to pick up dust, dirt, and water off the floor and carpets. That is a machine that has a motor in it that turns a fan creating a suction that picks up things and deposits it in a tank with the air then passing through a filter and exhausting back into the outside air.

If you are talking about a vacuum as Physics you would be referring to space void of matter, or a place where the pressure is so low that any particles in the space do not affect any processes being caried on there.
That rules out any particle appearing and causing the universe to exist.

The definition of a true vacuum would be an absence of existence.

Now which one of those do you not agree with?

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 356 of 369 (827149)
01-18-2018 11:12 AM
Reply to: Message 355 by ICANT
01-18-2018 10:44 AM


Re: Eternal power (energy)
TIf you are talking about a vacuum as Physics you would be referring to space void of matter, or a place where the pressure is so low that any particles in the space do not affect any processes being caried on there.
That rules out any particle appearing and causing the universe to exist.

No it does not. since virtual particles love poping in to exsistance in vacuums.
And they dont need any cause to do so there is just a chance that they might and so they do.

everything on the quantum scale works on a wave of probability or chance, and untill you actually take a look at what is happening thats all anything is on such a small scale a wawe of chance or probability. Its only when you look that particles and everything else become real.

If you shoot atoms trough 2 slits, untill you actually look trough witch hole the atom went the atom was only a wave of probability and went trough both holes then the wawe colides with itself and forms an interference pattern of collisions with the detector behind the slits. But if you check trough what hole the atoms goe they go trough just one hole and form a 2 stripe pattern on the detector.

In essence i think the universe came to be because there was a chance it could or a probability it could form. No cause or causer needed. Even no laws of physic need not be broken as long as the net energy of the universe or universes poping in to exsistence is 0. Or in math terms +1-1+2-2+3-3=0 But that does not mean the numbers being added up dont exsist.


Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.


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Message 357 of 369 (827152)
01-18-2018 12:33 PM
Reply to: Message 336 by ICANT
01-15-2018 1:09 AM


Re: Eternal power (energy)
The number T=1x10-6176 is equal to the smallest positive non-zero value that can be represented by a quadruple-precision IEEE decimal floating-point value.

That means that the cited number is the smallest number that can be expressed in 128 bits using a particular computer format that you could not hope to understand. I certainly won't try to explain the format to you.

If that number is wrong, what is the right number?

There is no right number. There is no smallest possible positive number. That's why your post is not even wrong.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!

We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.

Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith

I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith


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Message 358 of 369 (827154)
01-18-2018 12:39 PM
Reply to: Message 357 by NoNukes
01-18-2018 12:33 PM


Re: Eternal power (energy)
NoNukes writes:

That's why your post is not even wrong.

The most accurate use of that phrase I've seen in a long time. Congrats.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Message 359 of 369 (827158)
01-18-2018 2:05 PM
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01-18-2018 12:33 PM


Re: Eternal power (energy)
Hi NoNukes,

NoNukes writes:

That means that the cited number is the smallest number that can be expressed in 128 bits using a particular computer format that you could not hope to understand. I certainly won't try to explain the format to you.

I am glad you agree that as stated the number is correct.

I also know that 64 bit and 32 bit has different numbers.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 360 of 369 (827159)
01-18-2018 2:18 PM
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01-18-2018 2:05 PM


Re: Eternal power (energy)
I am glad you agree that as stated the number is correct.

that is not what he said. You really don't understand numbers do you?

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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