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Theodoric
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Message 121 of 150 (692996)
03-09-2013 10:34 AM
Reply to: Message 118 by kofh2u
03-09-2013 9:13 AM


Re: Intelligence IS Truth, fantasies are perceptions...
As Eli stated you are not expressing Kant's view. Also, you do realize that Kant is not the end all and be all of philosophy.

That being said you must hold to all of Kant's ideas. Do you agree with all of Kant's ideas?


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.


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Theodoric
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Message 122 of 150 (692997)
03-09-2013 11:30 AM
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03-09-2013 9:13 AM


Re: Intelligence IS Truth, fantasies are perceptions...
All I said about Kant was that he very clearly explained the idea under discussion, which concerned the vision we form in our mind that we believe to correspond with the object, thing, or fact out htere, beyond our mind, in the real world.

Are you trying to express the idea of archetypes?


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.


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WarriorArchangel
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Message 123 of 150 (693041)
03-10-2013 5:07 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Spiritual Anarchist
02-02-2013 8:41 PM


"elusive origin"
"God", is confusing and isolated until one finds in what religion the God is used. Not one Almighty.....

The Almighty, LORD God of hosts, HaShem, negates every God and its religion. That leaves the Almighty God of Israel....

And then there is Lucifer, in the guise of Allah. Looey became "like" the Almighty, in having his own prophet, nation and religion, borne to the Earth....

HaShem wanted to have His son borne by a virgin He would make.
But the psyche of His Adversary Lucifer, came into play in this hierarchal acting out, upon the planet. The deception of Eve, and Eve to Adam. Both experienced autoerotic orgasm when biting into the forbidden fruit. "Now you will work from the sweat of your brow. And you Eve, will give birth in great pain and agony. And your years will be 120." I heard of the death, of 123 year old black woman.....

Anyway...
We are a species of interbred/inbred hybrids. Interbred in "Cain knew
his Neanderthal wife"....
And 30,000 years later, Seth inbreeding with his brothers offspring.

That makes me a member of the interbred/inbred hybrid club....

Can you self proclaimed evolved, from you don't know from what, tell
me of your elusive origin.....?


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onifre
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Message 124 of 150 (693046)
03-10-2013 12:15 PM
Reply to: Message 119 by kofh2u
03-09-2013 9:17 AM


Who farted? God
God can be observed empiricially, through the use of our senses by which we make mental images called "thoughts" about "him."

Which one of our senses detects god? Eyes? Ears? Touch? Certainly not taste, and smell would be really odd.

Can you be specific as to which sense it is?

There's a member here in this forum that claims to audibly here god's voice talk to him - or at least he says it's god's voice. Do you mean something like that? Or do you physically "see" god?

- Oni

Edited by onifre, : No reason given.


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kofh2u
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Message 125 of 150 (693047)
03-10-2013 1:20 PM
Reply to: Message 121 by Theodoric
03-09-2013 10:34 AM


Re: Intelligence IS Truth, fantasies are perceptions...

you do realize that Kant is not the end all and be all of philosophy.
That being said you must hold to all of Kant's ideas. Do you agree with all of Kant's ideas?

Who says...????

I merely re-stated what I had said in the words of Kant, who also had said, correctly, that real things, external to us, can not be directly known, but must be envisioned as we use our senses to decide what they seem to be.

This is a necessary intermediate step between us and Reality.

When we get it correct,... when what we think is "out there" is actually out there, we say it is the truth.
In all cases we are always stuck with the images of Reality we have deduced.

Repeating this one concept of Kant's has nothing to do with anything else I may have said or will say,... so far.


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kofh2u
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Message 126 of 150 (693048)
03-10-2013 1:22 PM
Reply to: Message 122 by Theodoric
03-09-2013 11:30 AM


Re: Intelligence IS Truth, fantasies are perceptions...

All I said about Kant was that he very clearly explained the idea under discussion, which concerned the vision we form in our mind that we believe to correspond with the object, thing, or fact out htere, beyond our mind, in the real world.

Theo:
Are you trying to express the idea of archetypes?

...?

"All I said about Kant was that he very clearly explained the idea under discussion, which concerned the vision we form in our mind that we believe to correspond with the object, thing, or fact out there, beyond our mind, in the real world."


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Eli
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Message 127 of 150 (693049)
03-10-2013 1:27 PM
Reply to: Message 125 by kofh2u
03-10-2013 1:20 PM


Re: Intelligence IS Truth, fantasies are perceptions...
If we say that what we perceive is "truth," we would be wrong.

Perception is not truth. Perception is perception.


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kofh2u
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From: phila., PA
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Message 128 of 150 (693050)
03-10-2013 1:28 PM
Reply to: Message 124 by onifre
03-10-2013 12:15 PM


Re: Who farted? God

God can be observed empiricially, through the use of our senses by which we make mental images called "thoughts" about "him."

Which one of our senses detects god? Eyes? Ears? Touch? Certainly not taste, and smell would be really odd.

Can you be specific as to which sense it is?

There's a member here in this forum that claims to audibly here god's voice talk to him - or at least he says it's god's voice. Do you mean something like that? Or do you physically "see" god?

All of the senses are used to empirically establish this "other entity" which sends us messages through those seven sevens, insisting that "I am."

In the womb, we have no idea that even our own body exists.
There is just "us," in the total sensory deprivation of the womb.

Smacked on the ass by a doctor, the pain awakens us to the presence of some other external entity besides ourselves.
We are no longer alone.

If we doubt this, pain, hunger, and thrist reinforce the presence of "something else" existing besides ourselves.

These things together are an almighty Reality we must deal with and recognize thereafter, a god that holds the keys to life and a threat of pain and death.


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kofh2u
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Message 129 of 150 (693051)
03-10-2013 1:31 PM
Reply to: Message 127 by Eli
03-10-2013 1:27 PM


Re: Intelligence IS Truth, fantasies are perceptions...

If we say that what we perceive is "truth," we would be wrong.
Perception is not truth. Perception is perception.

Nonsense.

A perception can be true or false.

Even you may have taken Tests where your perception of the right answer was grade correct.
Then all those wrong answers were marked wrong.

Your perception of the lessons was partly right and partly wrong.


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kofh2u
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Message 130 of 150 (693052)
03-10-2013 1:40 PM
Reply to: Message 123 by WarriorArchangel
03-10-2013 5:07 AM


Re: "elusive origin"

Can you self proclaimed evolved, from you don't know from what, tell
me of your elusive origin.....?

The origin of man was in that Act-of-God inside the womb of a surrogate Ape wherein two of the 24 Ape chromosomes chemically fuses together by means of the dust of atomic interactions that created a new species with only 23 Chromosome pairs, ever thereafter.

Having neither human mother or father, this new creature in the Reality that is God went through 22 stages of ascent to modern man:

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Book:

The Last Human: A Guide to Twenty-Two Species of Extinct Humans
by G.J.Sawyer, (Author)


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Eli
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Message 131 of 150 (693057)
03-10-2013 2:08 PM
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03-10-2013 1:31 PM


Re: Intelligence IS Truth, fantasies are perceptions...
A perception can be modeled after a truth in which our beliefs about that perception are justified and that we can derive approximate predictions.

That is not the same as claiming that what we "image in our minds" IS truth. At least not a complete truth or pure truth.

Perception is not reality.

Nor through our finite sensory inputs can we derive any full truth.


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Eli
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Message 132 of 150 (693058)
03-10-2013 2:10 PM
Reply to: Message 130 by kofh2u
03-10-2013 1:40 PM


Re: "elusive origin"
Stop posting that bs.

First, it isn't true.

Secondly, it is off topic.

Third, you've wallpapered many other threads with the exact same post.

Stop spamming or you will be reported.


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kofh2u
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From: phila., PA
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Message 133 of 150 (693062)
03-10-2013 2:30 PM
Reply to: Message 132 by Eli
03-10-2013 2:10 PM


Re: "elusive origin"

Secondly, it is off topic.

Third, you've wallpapered many other threads with the exact same post.

The spamming of the same criticism of Genesis is what the moderator needs examine.

If the same dumb attack of Genesis is brought up over and over again, either that person to whon I respond has not yet read the psot that corrects him, or he is like you,... trying to silence any response to your claims that you know what is right.


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Eli
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Message 134 of 150 (693067)
03-10-2013 2:45 PM
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03-10-2013 2:30 PM


Re: "elusive origin"
No one was criticizing Genesis. No one asked about hominids. You are spamming.
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Straggler
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Message 135 of 150 (693114)
03-11-2013 8:53 AM
Reply to: Message 112 by kofh2u
03-07-2013 1:49 PM


Re: ... the number is 8?
Yet again you display your penchant for invoking relationships between disparate things on the basis that you can make them look pictorially similar. But drawing triangles and squares around things really isn't the path to profundity that you seem to think it is.

Kof writes:

The idea that a fixed repetitious pattern exists, concerning the way we figure things out, is as important if not more so that the Quantum Theories that are demonstrating this pattern.

It's easy to suggest pointlessly vague correlations in paragraphs of prose. But much more difficult to specify actual one to one comparisons between modern physics and whatever form of mysticism you are now touting. Once again your post seems to be little more than a very long winded way of saying this:

Quantum Theory SaysBuddhism Says.
Predictable patternsPredictable patterns

That both modern science and religion conclude that things are ordered in recognisable patterns is hardly a great revelation or cause for wonderment.

I mean what is the alternative? To conclude that things are entirely random with no discernible patterns at all? You only have to watch the Sun rise each day to conclude "patterns". You don't need quantum theory.

Kof writes:

I believe there is a deep (actual) relationship between our Group Theory, concerning QM, and the subtle description in Judaism, of a pattern to the way we think, in general.

OK. What pattern?

Can you answer this without drawing lots of triangles and boxes around things?

Because whilst I am sure that in your own head it all makes perfect sense the fact of the matter is that if others can't come to the same conclusion, if others cannot discern this pattern that you find so obvious, then it may be that your conclusions tell us more about the internal workings of your mind than anything about physical reality.

Describe the pattern you see.


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