Kof2hu's 22 species corresponding to Genesis thread

There has been recent genetic studies that have augmented earlier paleontological theories such as the Three Racial Stock Theory. Remember that Modern Homo sapiens ppeared about 142,000 years ago, which would coincide with Genesis 5:31, which tells us that Noah has three sons 100,000 years BEFORE the 40,000 year flood "out-of-Africa" occurs.What science tells us is that during these years the three racial stocks differentiated into the seven present genetically different races.
But the Politically Correct issues of our times, in regard to Slavery in particular, has made the subject a social issue, regardless of the FACTS: Lewontin's argument and criticism
In 1972 Richard Lewontin performed a FST statistical analysis using 17 markers including blood group proteins. His results were the majority of genetic differences between humans
6.3% was found to differentiate races which in the study were (1) Caucasian, (2) African, (3) Mongoloid, (4) South Asian Aborigines, (5) Amerinds, (6) Oceanians, and (7) Australian Aborigines.Geneticist A. W. F. Edwards in the paper "Human Genetic Diversity: Lewontin's Fallacy" (2003) argued that the conclusionEdited by kofh2u, : No reason given.

I assumed you would make up another arbitrary rule to arrive at the figure you wanted.Kofh2u arrives at his conclusion before he begins to collect data or advance research. Then he creates false rules in order to exclude certain data that should be included and to include data that he has made up.In this case, he has created an arbitrary exclusion rule. As an example he might say "we will only consider one to be a member of this group if they are right handed. Tom is left handed and is not a member of this group."Even though the rule is arbitrary and the reasons he gives for the rule being necessary ("line of ascent requires the Y chromosome be passed down") are not scientifically based, we will allow it only if he applies it consistently.In the "right handed" example, when it is pointed out that Jenny and Jeff are also left handed, then they should also be excluded from the group.Kohf2u's second arbitrary rule (special pleading) is that paternal links who have no children cannot be counted.Very well.Jabal, Jubal and Tubal-Cain also had no children. Then by Kofh2u's own rules, we now have a count of 16. Including Noah's sons the count is 19.With or without Kofh2u's special rules meant to force a specific number, we still do not have a count of 22 in the Genesis genealogy.Got another rule you want to add?

Not really.Since Abel had no children he could never be counted as a link to the ascent of other species,which is jsu common sense.However, it seems that Genesis accounts for this dead end by telling us that "Adam," a species that would have existed for almost 1 million years,... fathers another species called Seth by the Jews who must have been collecting these same fossil back then, too.Gen. 5:3 And Adam, (concurrent with Sahelanthropus tchadensis @7 million years ago), lived an hundred and thirty (thousand) years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth, (Australopithecus anamensis):..
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The story about Abel seems more related to the science that hypothesizes a battle between the vegetarian ape species and the meat eating Australopithecus anamensis.So Abel is consider to be the first appearance of Australopithecus anamensis, which died off, but re-appears as Seth later in the evolutionary trek. Gen. 4:3 And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain, (Ardipithecus ramidus, a vegetarian), brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD, (which is the ever unfolding almighty Reality within which all men are both trapped and nurtured).Gen. 4:4 And Abel, (Australopithecus anamensis, was carnivorous), he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD, (Father Nature, our Reality), had respect, (in regard to the evolutionary value of a high protein diet), unto Abel, (Australopithecus anamnesis), and to his offering:Gen. 4:5 But unto Cain, (Ardipithecus ramidus was vegetarian), and to his offering, (as concerning the nutritional value to brain metabolism), he, (Father Nature, our Reality), had not respect, (in regard to the demands of the expanding mental abilities of evolving man).
And Cain, (Ardipithecus ramidus), was very wroth, and his countenance fell.Edited by kofh2u, : No reason given.Edited by kofh2u, : No reason given.

LOLWe carry Neanderthal genes in us, which tells you that these Neanderthals had children which evolved from them, but by hybridization.

Then it would also be common sense not to count Jabal, Jubal and Tubal-Cain for the exact same reason.The whole point of the thread is to find correspondences of 22 with 22. Before we can even get to that point, we have to establish what the two groups of 22 are. You have been unable to arrive at a list of 22 in either group.Please explain why you made up a rule and want to apply it to only one person, when it applies to four people.We have 23 males through Noah's sons and 19 when we exclude those who did not have offspring.We don't have a list of 22.

23 males, 23 pairs of chromosomes. Coincidence?

That is an illogical conclusion. But, since you want to make such a ridiculous claim, then we'll say this applies to Abel as well.LoL
Obviously Abel had offspring because we carry Neanderthal genes.Now we are back to a list of 23.

Well, 2+3=5 and according to the song "This monkey gone to heaven," man is 5.You should probably know by now that there are no coincidences.

Especially if you cherry-pick your numerology, like kofh2u does. If he wanted to make the connection, there would be 23 males, one way or another.

Very true. If that were the way he thought he could demonstrate foreknowledge in the bible of modern scientific findings, he would be glad to bring up Au. sediba and insert that into the list of 22 to arrive at 23.

And 2+3 is 5 which is the same as the number of books in the Pentateuch!!! Coincidence?

That is the bottom line, always, as we must measure the ideas in a hypothesis against the Stats for mere coincidence.The way it worked BEFORE Darwin and before the development of the Scientific Method was called Oscam's Razor.The simplest idea that answered all the separate observations that seem to have no ready explanation was considered to be the most likely answer to what was happening and why.Today, we would call that a Hypothesis.
It would be an idea that did SEEM to satisfy all the pieces in a "puzzle" and explain the relationship between them.Then, we would need to find other experimentally produced evidence that supported the hypothesis, or propose some experiment that would demonstrate a logical consequence of the hypothesis, if it were actually the reason for those other phenomenon.Or, in time, more hard evidence would surface that added weight to the hypothesis because that evidence also conformed to the proposed reasoning and explanations already hypothesized.In other words, if my hypothesis that these names in the genealogy represented species, I should be able to find support in scripture for assuming such a possibility.
And, I should find more evidence in the enumeration of the two lines of ascent, one thru Cain and one thru Seth.I should be able to explain comments in the Genesis story with corrsponding events with some form of Scientific evidence, like in the case where Cain kills Abel, and the meaning of God "taking" Enoch, and other parts of the genealogy that should equally be important to an intended report by God, of these creatures evolving from on another.If this whole Hypothesis I have made clear to reads on these threads has any merit, especially if I had lived 200 years ago, then Darwinism should have been verifying the hypothesis as more and more was uncovered by the paleontologists.That IS the way Science actually works, right?Edited by kofh2u, : No reason given.

Uh, no.Science does not rely on magic, superstition, wishful thinking, old wives tales, folklore, what the stars foretell and what the neighbors think, omens, public opinion, astromancy, spells, Ouija boards, anecdotes, Da Vinci codes, tarot cards, sorcery, seances, sore bunions, black cats, divine revelation, table tipping, witch doctors, crystals and crystal balls, numerology, divination, faith healing, miracles, palm reading, the unguessable verdict of history, magic tea leaves, new age mumbo-jumbo, hoodoo, voodoo or any of that other weird stuff.Science relies on evidence and the scientific method.You should try it sometime!

The bottom line is that you claimed there are 22 names in the Genesis geneology beginning with Adam and arbitrarily ending with Noah's three sons.You were wrong.You simply cannot compare or proclaim a correlation between two lists of 22 here. There is nothing by which one should even think these are similar even by coincidence because there is no list of 22.Edited by Eli, : No reason given.

And here is a major problem with your efforts. You "find" support by using any means necessary. You have already predetermined the that the Bible conforms to science. So a match must be found. And it is your life's work to distort, contort, numerologize, misapply, confirmation bias and just be plain wrong about science, the Bible, or both such that a match, however unpersuasive, is found.Your methods are perfectly analogous to those use to make Nostradamus appear prescient or to those used to find secret messages in the Bible. You can never rule out coincidence using the reality free techniques you apply.Given your zeal, and your apparent belief that you are the Messiah, I don't expect that it is possible to convince you that you err. But perhaps you might at least understand why you are having difficulty convincing rational people. Probably not, but there's hope.If you were actually correct, you should be able to announce and predict science simply by reading the Bible, just as we should be able to predict the future by reading Nostradamus. But somehow neither ever actually happens. I contend that it is because numerology is stupid nonsense. Edited by NoNukes, : remove double negative and fix it's/its usage