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Author Topic:   Can science say anything about a Creator God?
NosyNed
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Message 80 of 506 (694729)
03-27-2013 2:12 PM
Reply to: Message 78 by designtheorist
03-27-2013 1:56 PM


following?
quote:
...has to be the result of an intelligent Creator.
Maybe I missed something but I see a gigantic gap in logic where my ellipses are.
Perhaps you can explain more? So far you've missed that part in many places.
You might note that our current state of knowledge of physics doesn't allow us to make, that I know, of any statements about so-called "fine tuning". For one thing the constants we see may be the only possible ones. For another we already have some work done that shows that varying more than one constant allows for universes that "work" even if they are widely different from our own.
So any use of fine tuning at all is a house built on sand and currently utterly useless as an argument for anything at all. Unless you actually have some logic that allows you to fill in those ellipses. We await.

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NosyNed
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Message 94 of 506 (694754)
03-27-2013 10:36 PM
Reply to: Message 90 by NoNukes
03-27-2013 5:51 PM


Video Time
I think it starts at 9 mins but there isn't much there. Certainly not worth DT's comments.
ABE
Runs on to just before 20 mins it seems.
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NosyNed
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Message 100 of 506 (694761)
03-28-2013 12:16 AM
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03-28-2013 12:09 AM


Null Indeed
It makes no sense at all for the reasons I (and others ) gave. Others have given you lots of alternatives which you have chosen to ignore.
Greene's popsci analogy doesn't tell us anything about the real universe other than that an alternate universe with the most simplistic of changes isn't conducive to life.
You asking this question now shows you aren't comprehending much of any of the discussion.
Your choices like "10 or fewer" are arbitrary, unsupported logically and basically meaningless with our current state of knowledge.
You have no logical chain of reasoning to arrive at any conclusions much less a sentient reason for things to be as they are.

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NosyNed
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Message 348 of 506 (695798)
04-09-2013 12:01 PM
Reply to: Message 347 by designtheorist
04-09-2013 11:54 AM


Read Very Very Carefully
quote:
How can I show you evidence for other things when you won't admit gravity is real????
You haven't stated this correctly. Which is a tiny part of your problem. Read a lot more carefully.
I have to thank you. From the replies you've gotten I got a new insight. What Stenger said and what you have been told by actually practicing physicists is that within GR there is no force of gravity. It is the force that is being discussed not gravity.
I hope the italics and underlining will help you read more carefully.
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