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1.61803
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Message 31 of 116 (695440)
04-05-2013 10:42 AM
Reply to: Message 29 by NoNukes
04-05-2013 10:14 AM


Re: How would others react?
Hi NoNukes,
NoNukes writes:
I think we'd have to ask the cold war question of whether we can actually protect South Korea by nuking N. Korea.
I honestly feel that N. Korea is still living in 1953. The rest of the world has evolved and they are still in that cold war mind set. If N. Korea lauched a nuke I can see the current administration saying. Well it was just a little one, lets see what happens.*sarcasm*

"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs

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Message 32 of 116 (695459)
04-05-2013 11:37 AM
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04-05-2013 10:29 AM


Re: How would others react?
jar asks:
What could we do?
...maybe give them Dennis Rodman, signed, sealed & delivered?

- xongsmith, 5.7d

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Taq
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Message 33 of 116 (695466)
04-05-2013 12:18 PM
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04-05-2013 10:29 AM


Re: How would others react?
Oh yeah? So fighting ended in Afghanistan and Iraq in two weeks and after that it was just a matter of international negotiation.
It was a matter of policing a country so that a democratic government could be formed. We created a power vacuum and we were afraid of who would fill it. We stuck around so that we could get a government that we wanted.

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jar
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Message 34 of 116 (695468)
04-05-2013 12:32 PM
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04-05-2013 12:18 PM


Re: How would others react?
So there v
has been no fighting in Iraq or Afghanistan since week two?
Okay.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 35 of 116 (695475)
04-05-2013 3:01 PM
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04-05-2013 12:32 PM


Re: How would others react?
So there v
has been no fighting in Iraq or Afghanistan since week two?
Iraq was not capable of fighting a war as a nation state after week two.

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jar
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Message 36 of 116 (695476)
04-05-2013 3:11 PM
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04-05-2013 3:01 PM


Re: How would others react?
LOL Way too funny.
So the fighting stopped?
What about Afghanistan?

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 37 of 116 (695477)
04-05-2013 3:16 PM
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04-05-2013 3:11 PM


Re: How would others react?
So the fighting stopped?
The war between nation states stopped. The ability of Iraq, the nation state, to wage war was gone after two weeks. We could have just walked away at that point. Iran probably would have marched right in and taken it, but big whoop. We had beaten the Iraqi nation state that was threatening us (allegedly).
Afghanastan was the same. The government had no ability to wage war.
If you think I am wrong, then perhaps you could show me examples of the Iraqi army fighting US troops in the last 2 years or so?

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Message 38 of 116 (695481)
04-05-2013 4:08 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by 1.61803
04-05-2013 10:42 AM


Re: How would others react?
I honestly feel that N. Korea is still living in 1953. The rest of the world has evolved and they are still in that cold war mind set. If N. Korea lauched a nuke I can see the current administration saying. Well it was just a little one, lets see what happens.*sarcasm*
I'm not sure the president could survive an impeachment if he made that choice. But the US response need not be nuclear as long as it is thorough and disproportionate.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
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jar
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Message 39 of 116 (695487)
04-05-2013 5:09 PM
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04-05-2013 3:16 PM


Re: How would others react?
You're not wrong, simply irrelevant.
Sure the Nation State might be stopped from making war. It happened once before there in case you hadn't noticed.
But little was solved.
The question is would China and Russia allow the US to invade North Korea or respond militarily against North Korea? Would the US be allowed to invade and occupy North Korea long enough to effect a regime change?
Could the US support the cost of such an action?
And again, the fighting did not stop.
The US has been an Occupying Army in Iraq and Afghanistan for over a decade.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Dr Adequate
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Message 40 of 116 (695492)
04-05-2013 7:21 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by Pressie
04-05-2013 5:49 AM


Re: Another opinion
One wonders what the interest of China is in keeping the North Korean Government in place or alternatively getting rid of it.
Indeed. They're a riddle wrapped in a mystery wrapped in a wonton. What can their interest be in supporting the status quo?

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Message 41 of 116 (695493)
04-05-2013 7:59 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by Taq
04-05-2013 3:16 PM


Re: How would others react?
Taq writes:
Afghanastan was the same. The government had no ability to wage war.
If you think I am wrong, then perhaps you could show me examples of the Iraqi army fighting US troops in the last 2 years or so?
Sure, it was a two-week media event turkey shoot.
Then, somehow, 4500 American troops died and tens of thousands were maimed; not to mention the hundred thousand or so Iraqi civilian deaths and the enormous recruitment drive we generated for Al Qaeda.
Afghanistan has been a similarly breezy piece of work.
Now the Iraqi government is cozying up to Iran and turning a blind eye to clandestine arms shipments to Tehran.
Oh yeah, two weeks and it was all over.
We definitely won.

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

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Message 42 of 116 (695494)
04-05-2013 11:39 PM
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04-05-2013 10:29 AM


Re: How would others react?
all we need to do is to destroy their weapons. They cant afford to replace them.

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Message 43 of 116 (695495)
04-06-2013 12:16 AM
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04-05-2013 11:39 PM


Re: How would others react?
Phat suggests:
all we need to do is to destroy their weapons. They cant afford to replace them.
Yes, but then the ruling powers here cannot afford to NOT replace them.
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jar
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Message 44 of 116 (695496)
04-06-2013 12:18 AM
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04-05-2013 11:39 PM


Re: How would others react?
Destroy what weapons? How exactly? What makes you think they cannot afford to replace them?

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 45 of 116 (695499)
04-06-2013 3:14 AM
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04-06-2013 12:18 AM


Re: How would others react?
destroy all launching sites, all tanks and all planes. We have the capability and could do it in a matter of days. As a country who cant even feed their people, i doubt they could or would attempt to replace their weapons and would be unable to do so quickly, unless China or Russia resupplied them...which would be an unwise chess move.
We would have to act quickly and use cruise missiles and B52 runs.
we are quite good at the first stage of a war...its the next stages we are not good at.
N.Korea has no business with that much power anyway.

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