Hold on a cotton-pickin-minute! I can't let this just pass:
Phat writes:
We do believe that humanity is imperfect, contrary to most secular humanist wisdom...
I've never seen any secular humanists claiming that "humanity is perfect".
Where do you get this stuff from? Do you think a rejection of the notion of original sin (or whatever Christian doctrine it is you are advocating) equates to concluding that humanity is "perfect".....?
I don't even know what "perfect" humanity would look like anyway. Perfection is in the eye of the beholder. One man's idea of perfection is another man's idea of defective. So the whole notion of "perfect humanity" is just nonsensical.
Phat writes:
I quite naturally think we all need to surrender in the sense that we need to kill our greedy selfish flesh and allow the Spirit of Love, Wisdom, and Peace dominate.
If you honestly believe that then I am perplexed as to why you think killing people is a bad thing rather than merely a method of hastening them to this wondrous state of spiritual existence where they are devoid of "selfish flesh"....?
It seems your idea of perfection includes an absence of physical existence....