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Message 10 of 61 (697873)
05-01-2013 10:28 AM

Reply to: Message 9 by Otto Tellick
05-01-2013 8:16 AM

In religious conflicts, it is specifically the identification of persons with particular religious creeds that drives the selection of victims in targeting violence. If the religious beliefs (or the differences among religious beliefs) did not exist, there would be no motivation for the violence.

I wonder how true this is. I'd bet that many "religious" conflicts were actually political in nature but the leaders just realized that they could gather the troops better if they said that it was for religion.

But I'm not sure how we could tell...

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Message 15 of 61 (697912)
05-01-2013 2:53 PM

Reply to: Message 12 by Rahvin
05-01-2013 12:09 PM

Religion is just a single (and easily visible) symptom of the greater disease.

I think it's telling that, rather than realize the greater issue, the OP wants to bring atheism (what they feel is) downward towards being a religion.

"Atheism is so bad, its like a religion"

Its as if they already think deep down that being a religion is a bad thing. And I doubt that at the surface they're willing to face that.

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Message 17 of 61 (697923)
05-01-2013 3:29 PM

Reply to: Message 16 by hooah212002
05-01-2013 3:21 PM

Not when you consider that it's becoming increasingly popular for some groups of christians to shy away from even labeling themselves as religious and that their christianity is not religion. "It's not a religion, it's a personal relationship" or "I'm not religious, I just have a personal relationship with jesus" or some other such nonsense.

Holy shit, you're right. I hadn't considered that at all. The OP certainly is kooky enough to fit within one of those groups. I could be entirely wrong, thanks.

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Message 25 of 61 (697985)
05-02-2013 10:40 AM

Reply to: Message 24 by Faith
05-02-2013 2:57 AM

Yeah, "religion" is that, no doubt, but the Biblical revelation is not religion, it's the supernatural gift of the true God which can save us from all that stupid tribalism.

That's right folks, all you have to do to escape all this tribe joining crap is.... to join my tribe.

BTW, you're the only one who thinks your's isn't a religion. The rest of us know that it is, by definition.

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Message 33 of 61 (698014)
05-02-2013 2:12 PM

Reply to: Message 21 by GDR
05-01-2013 9:21 PM

IMHO it is never about religion. It is always about greed and power regardless of what the presenting issue is.

Are you saying that it cannot be about religion? Or that it can but it isn't?

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Message 37 of 61 (698019)
05-02-2013 2:41 PM

Reply to: Message 35 by GDR
05-02-2013 2:24 PM

Okay. You said that it is "never" about religion. If it could be, then we only need one example where it was for you to be wrong. The only way you could remain correct was if it was not possible for religion to be a cause, that is if you were excluding it by definition or something. But if you're not, then I'll just write it off as you over-speaking a bit. I'm sure we could find a case where religion was the motivation, but its not really worth getting into.

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Message 44 of 61 (698176)
05-03-2013 2:51 PM

Reply to: Message 43 by Faith
05-03-2013 2:46 PM

brought about by the overactive imaginations of some teenagers,

Most likely some people were poisoned by the ergot fungus that was growing on some rye grains and they were tripping their balls off.

I can see how they thought it was witchcraft.

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