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Author Topic:   Federal Court & U.S. Supreme Court Ruling: Atheism is Religion
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Message 11 of 61 (697876)
05-01-2013 10:53 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Alter2Ego
04-28-2013 10:20 PM


Considering that atheists have themselves committed human rights violations under the banner of non-belief in a supernatural God or gods, can one successfully argue that "belief in god" is not the actual reason behind crimes against humanity? Or, in the alternative, can one successfully argue that it is indeed because of belief in God that people commit human atrocities?
I have always been fond of this quote:
"With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evilthat takes religion."--Steven Weinberg
That sums up my view as well. Religion causes people to subvert their own reason and follow the edicts of the priesthood. What follows can be quite evil.

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Message 14 of 61 (697895)
05-01-2013 1:21 PM
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05-01-2013 12:09 PM


I think the real crux of the issue is the human tendency to believe unsupported assertions coupled with a strong bias towards positions of emotional preference.
Religion is just a single (and easily visible) symptom of the greater disease. One could easily throw "statism," various cults of personality, and other non-religious fountains of irrational zeal into the same pot. There are plenty of irrational atheists, and it doesn't take religion to make them do bad things - the capacity for inhumanity is both ironically and tragically human.
The subversion of reason in favor of authority is perhaps most obvious in religion, but it doesn't have a monopoly.
Completely agree, and I think that is the sentiment that Weinberg was trying to convey. Worship of the State can result in just as many atrocities as worship of a god.

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Message 18 of 61 (697930)
05-01-2013 5:10 PM
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05-01-2013 2:53 PM


I think it's telling that, rather than realize the greater issue, the OP wants to bring atheism (what they feel is) downward towards being a religion.
"Atheism is so bad, its like a religion"
Its as if they already think deep down that being a religion is a bad thing. And I doubt that at the surface they're willing to face that.
I am always stunned that people who use those arguments fail to see how bad it makes them look. Have you ever seen someone argue in the other direction?
Christianity is so bad, its like a form of disbelief.
Creationists are just another kind of scientist, and creationism is nothing more than another branch of science.
Why is it that some christians want so badly to portray atheism as a religion?
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05-01-2013 7:29 PM
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05-01-2013 5:21 PM


Saw this picture and I couldn't help myself. Must share . . .
Just in case it isn't loading:
http://trinities.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/tu-quoque.jpg
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Message 27 of 61 (697987)
05-02-2013 11:10 AM
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05-02-2013 2:57 AM


Yeah, "religion" is that, no doubt, but the Biblical revelation is not religion, it's the supernatural gift of the true God which can save us from all that stupid tribalism.
The belief that the Bible is a supernatural gift is a religion.

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Message 28 of 61 (697988)
05-02-2013 11:11 AM
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05-02-2013 11:00 AM


Some one on this forum a while back said that essentially the Christian message was that we are all one tribe.
Which of the thousands of christian sects and demoninations did they belong to? Southern Baptist? Eastern Orthodox?

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