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Pressie
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Message 3 of 81 (698364)
05-06-2013 7:08 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Albert de Roos
05-04-2013 5:13 AM


Other life?
This one is troubling to me:
Albert de Roos writes:
It proposes that the first entity of Life was the replicating of DNA, representing also the first life cycle
Did the Designer have replicating DNA all those years ago to be called 'Life'?
What about replicating RNA, maybe that was representing the first life cycle? They do have life cycles. A virus does it.
Maybe mad cow disease represented the first life cycle? Prions?
Maybe you should try to define what you mean with the word 'life' before we can have a meaningful discussion?
Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.

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Pressie
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Message 7 of 81 (698449)
05-07-2013 6:53 AM
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05-06-2013 10:12 AM


And organisms called DNA viruses? Are they alive?

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Pressie
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Message 9 of 81 (698544)
05-07-2013 11:45 PM
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05-07-2013 11:16 AM


You still haven't answered the question. Do you see DNA viruses as "life"?

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Pressie
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Message 11 of 81 (698702)
05-09-2013 12:05 AM
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05-08-2013 6:48 PM


You do not consider DNA viruses as life then.
Following that, your previous description of what you regard as "life" doesn't make sense. I'll repeat part of your post for you.
Albert de Roos writes:
I use the word Life in a purely mechanistic way and I propose that a replicating genome can be considered the first life form. Replication of a genome is the common denominator of all life and the basis of its evolution.
I propose that we have a workable definition of "Life' before this thread can start properly and before I can start learning from the specialists.
I have seen how cdesign proponentsists tend to move the goalposts on the description of the word "Life" when it suits them....to such an extent that the word "Life" becomes meaningless (I think that they do it to ensure that their favourite designers can be classified as Life, even though they are supposed to be spooks).
Edited by Pressie, : Spelling and last paragraph

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Pressie
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Message 15 of 81 (698725)
05-09-2013 4:59 AM
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05-09-2013 3:42 AM


Albert de Roos writes:
Pressie, I have described my definition of Life in mechanistic terms, and have described viruses as part as other life forms. I use a replicating genome as the definition of Life, so some may consider viruses to be a Life form because they have a genome. I don't see the relevance for the discussion.
I completely disagree. It very relevant to discuss what life is in this discussion.

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