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Topic: Is the Bible the inerrant word of God? Or is it the words of men?
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Faith 
Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: 10-06-2001
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Message 1951 of 2241 (748515)
01-26-2015 2:02 PM
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Reply to: Message 1948 by Tangle
01-26-2015 2:00 PM
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Re: so let's add yet abother different vesion of the story
The Bible is not to be approached "normally," it's not a normal production.
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Golffly
Member (Idle past 3102 days) Posts: 287 Joined: 12-19-2014
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Message 1952 of 2241 (748516)
01-26-2015 2:04 PM
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Reply to: Message 1949 by Golffly
01-26-2015 2:00 PM
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Re: Contradiction
Judge not, that ye be not judged. Matthew 7:1 Seems like a person shouldn't judge but...
In righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour. Leviticus 19:15
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JonF
Member (Idle past 189 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: 06-23-2003
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Message 1953 of 2241 (748517)
01-26-2015 2:06 PM
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Reply to: Message 1935 by Faith
01-26-2015 1:26 PM
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Re: so let's add yet abother different vesion of the story
It can't mean that because the Bible doesn't contradict itself.
The Bible contradicts itself in many places. Ignoring them is assuming your conclusion. You are supposed to be demonstrating infallibility, not assuming it. But obviously you are incapable of even comprehending the concept of demonstrating infallibility, much less actually trying to do it; all you've ever done is assert it. The passage explicitly and clearly tells us that they did not hear the voice. The Bible contradicts itself in that case. Not earth-shaking, but a definite contradiction. Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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JonF
Member (Idle past 189 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: 06-23-2003
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Message 1954 of 2241 (748519)
01-26-2015 2:13 PM
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Reply to: Message 1951 by Faith
01-26-2015 2:02 PM
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Re: so let's add yet abother different vesion of the story
The Bible is not to be approached "normally," it's not a normal production.
Assuming your conclusion yet again.
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Golffly
Member (Idle past 3102 days) Posts: 287 Joined: 12-19-2014
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Message 1955 of 2241 (748520)
01-26-2015 2:15 PM
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Reply to: Message 1952 by Golffly
01-26-2015 2:04 PM
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Re: Contradiction
Love god
God is Love. 1 John 4:8 Fear god
Thou shalt fear the LORD thy God. Deuteronomy 10:20) ( and about 20 other places There is no fear in love:
There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love. 1 John 4:18
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Golffly
Member (Idle past 3102 days) Posts: 287 Joined: 12-19-2014
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Message 1956 of 2241 (748521)
01-26-2015 2:20 PM
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Reply to: Message 1955 by Golffly
01-26-2015 2:15 PM
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Re: Contradiction
Can you see god?
And the LORD appeared unto Abram, and said, Unto thy seed will I give this land: and there builded he an altar unto the LORD, who appeared unto him. Genesis 12:7 ( and about a dozen other places) No you can't see god. Or if you do you die
There shall no man see me, and live. Exodus 33:20
No man hath seen God at any time. John 1:18
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Golffly
Member (Idle past 3102 days) Posts: 287 Joined: 12-19-2014
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Message 1957 of 2241 (748522)
01-26-2015 2:22 PM
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Reply to: Message 1956 by Golffly
01-26-2015 2:20 PM
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Re: Contradiction
Can god do anything. Yes!
For with God nothing shall be impossible. Luke 1:37 Well, not always
And the Lord was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron. Judges 1:19 There are over a thousand contradictions in the bible.
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jar
Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 1958 of 2241 (748523)
01-26-2015 2:44 PM
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Reply to: Message 1933 by Faith
01-26-2015 12:52 PM
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what folk believe is only evidence of their belief, not of truth or fact
Faith writes: The entire Old Testament as collected by the Jews is to be found almost complete in the Dead Sea Scrolls. The Books of Moses were always treated by them as written by Moses in Moses' own time. (Orthodox) Christians accept their timing of the writings. The fragmenting done by the modern scholars, made up completely out of their subjective impressions without any historical warrant whatever, is evil and will be judged by God in due time. I can hardly wait. I have no idea what a historical warrant is or what value it might have. The important part though is that we have discovered vast new resources in the last 100 years so that today we know far more about the actual history of what later got canonized and can say with a very, very, very high degree of certainty that anyone that thinks Moses wrote anything is just plain wrong. Now it is not a slap at those who lived hundreds of years ago but today only a Cult of Ignorance would make such a claim as Moses wrote the Books of Moses. In fact today we know that the various stories did not even come from a single culture but rather at least three different traditions.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Golffly
Member (Idle past 3102 days) Posts: 287 Joined: 12-19-2014
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Message 1959 of 2241 (748524)
01-26-2015 2:54 PM
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Reply to: Message 1943 by Faith
01-26-2015 1:47 PM
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Re: so let's add yet abother different vesion of the story
faith writes: The Bible does not contradict itself because it is the Word of God. That is where you start. If you don't start there you go off into deep darkness, which is where you and jar and others are going to end up. I care as much about your threat, as you do about a Hindu threat of hell.
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Faith
Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: 10-06-2001
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Message 1960 of 2241 (748525)
01-26-2015 2:55 PM
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Reply to: Message 1959 by Golffly
01-26-2015 2:54 PM
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Re: so let's add yet abother different vesion of the story
No, but you'll remember it when the time comes.
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Golffly
Member (Idle past 3102 days) Posts: 287 Joined: 12-19-2014
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Message 1961 of 2241 (748531)
01-26-2015 3:31 PM
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Reply to: Message 1960 by Faith
01-26-2015 2:55 PM
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Re: so let's add yet abother different vesion of the story
faith writes: No, but you'll remember it when the time comes. I worry about what you say as much as you worry about what Mormons say about which level of heaven you reach. You're going to be at a low level. I suspect you don't worry too much about that, and nor should you. Well that's what I do as well, same as you. Not worry about what deluded, religious, non-thinkers say. Instead of these threats why don't you try and figure out why you're always wrong.
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Golffly
Member (Idle past 3102 days) Posts: 287 Joined: 12-19-2014
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Message 1962 of 2241 (748533)
01-26-2015 3:36 PM
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Contradictions
What did Jesus ride into Jerusalem on. And ass and a colt
Tell ye the daughter of Sion, Behold, thy King cometh unto thee, meek, and sitting upon an ass, and a colt the foal of an ass. And the disciples went, and did as Jesus commanded them And brought the ass, and the colt, and put on them their clothes, and they set him thereon. Matthew 21:5-7 No just a colt
And they brought the colt to Jesus, and cast their garments on him; and he sat upon him. Mark 11:7
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Golffly
Member (Idle past 3102 days) Posts: 287 Joined: 12-19-2014
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Message 1963 of 2241 (748535)
01-26-2015 3:40 PM
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Reply to: Message 1962 by Golffly
01-26-2015 3:36 PM
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Re: Contradictions
I wonder what the soldiers gave him to drink Vinegar and gall
They gave him vinegar to drink mingled with gall. -- Matthew 27:34 No it was wine and myrrh
They gave him to drink wine mingled with myrrh. -- Mark 15:23
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Faith
Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: 10-06-2001
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Message 1964 of 2241 (748536)
01-26-2015 3:44 PM
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Reply to: Message 1961 by Golffly
01-26-2015 3:31 PM
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Re: so let's add yet abother different vesion of the story
Instead of these threats why don't you try and figure out why you're always wrong. But I KNOW why I'm "wrong." It's because you need me to be wrong so you trot out everything you can come up with to create the illusion.
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Golffly
Member (Idle past 3102 days) Posts: 287 Joined: 12-19-2014
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Message 1965 of 2241 (748537)
01-26-2015 3:44 PM
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Reply to: Message 1963 by Golffly
01-26-2015 3:40 PM
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Re: Contradictions
Who buried Jesus Joseph of Arimathaea
Joseph of Arimathaea ... took him down, and wrapped him in the linen, and laid him in a sepulchre. Mark 15:43-46 No the Jews and rulers did
For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read every sabbath day, they have fulfilled them in condemning him. And though they found no cause of death in him, yet desired they Pilate that he should be slain. And when they had fulfilled all that was written of him, they took him down from the tree, and laid him in a sepulchre.Acts 13:27-29
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