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ringo
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Message 16 of 110 (699940)
05-28-2013 1:40 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by 1.61803
05-28-2013 1:28 PM


1.61803 writes:

" Sandy Hook was staged by the Obama administration as a means to take away our guns."


Everything is a plot to take away your guns.

Karl Marx was sitting in his garret thinking, "How can we separate Americans from their guns?" when Charles Darwin came by selling magazine subscriptions to pay his way through Cambridge. Meanwhile, William Booth was on his way home from a trombone lesson....


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Dr Adequate
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Message 17 of 110 (699941)
05-28-2013 1:57 PM
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05-28-2013 1:05 PM


Re: How can you tell?
This is exactly what I mean. There is no airplane in those videos.

Can we have a look at them?


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ProtoTypical
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Message 18 of 110 (699944)
05-28-2013 2:53 PM
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05-28-2013 1:57 PM


Re: How can you tell?
? You provided the link yourself.

Link to video used to provide evidence that a plane crashed into the pentagon that does not actually show an airplane crashing into the pentagon


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Message 19 of 110 (699945)
05-28-2013 3:11 PM
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05-28-2013 1:40 PM


You forgot to invoke Godwins principal into this scenario and somehow mangage to get Hitler involved.

"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs

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Message 20 of 110 (699946)
05-28-2013 4:03 PM
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05-28-2013 1:49 AM


Re: How can you tell?
How is it that they can identify the Boston bombers in a matter of hours and they can not produce a single picture of jet plane colliding with the pentagon? The pentagon has to be one of the most heavily CCTV'd buildings in the world. How is that possible?

The FBI confiscated the videos from the hotel and gas station that were near the Pentagon and have refused to let us see them. They could produce those pictures but they won't for some reason.

If you doubt it was a plane at all, this website has some good photos that include plane wreckage around the impact zone:

http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/photos/

Here's the best one:


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Dr Adequate
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Message 21 of 110 (699948)
05-28-2013 4:28 PM
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05-28-2013 2:53 PM


Re: How can you tell?
? You provided the link yourself.

No.

Link to video used to provide evidence that a plane crashed into the pentagon that does not actually show an airplane crashing into the pentagon

Thanks for the 404 error, I shall cherish it.


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New Cat's Eye
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Message 22 of 110 (699949)
05-28-2013 4:33 PM
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05-28-2013 4:28 PM


Re: How can you tell?
The page loaded fine for me:

http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/...its/prosecution/P200022.html

Or you can get there by clicking on the P200022 link at the site that you linked to in Message 9:

http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/...ui/exhibits/prosecution.html


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Dr Adequate
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Message 23 of 110 (699951)
05-28-2013 4:44 PM
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05-28-2013 4:33 PM


Re: How can you tell?
Sorry, still not seeing it. Where's the video? I can see the photographs.
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New Cat's Eye
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Message 24 of 110 (699953)
05-28-2013 4:58 PM
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05-28-2013 4:44 PM


Re: How can you tell?
There's a link to download the zip file, and yeah, that does lead me to a 404 error.

There was a link to this youtube version of the video in Message 10:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzFqXbfv_yg

The explosion happens at 0:26. There's a flash of something right before it but I can't tell if its a plane or not. I've seen better videos of Bigfoot


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ProtoTypical
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Message 25 of 110 (699969)
05-28-2013 9:08 PM
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05-28-2013 4:03 PM


Re: How can you tell?
The FBI confiscated the videos from the hotel and gas station that were near the Pentagon and have refused to let us see them. They could produce those pictures but they won't for some reason.

If that is true, what possible scenario can you imagine that would justify the FBI's refusal to release that footage? Why didn't the NTSB investigate the crash? Why was all of the debris removed even before the appointed investigators arrived? Where are the flight data and voice recorders from the 4 planes? Why on earth should that info be kept secret?

It just seems to me that if a plane did crash there that it should be easy as pie to prove it and that there should be no doubt whatsoever. The Pennsylvania crash had lots of anomalies as well.

My only point is that we shouldn't dismiss cries of conspiracy just because the whole thing is incredibly brazen and unbelievable or because most cries of conspiracy are ridiculous.


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ProtoTypical
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Message 26 of 110 (699970)
05-28-2013 9:10 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by Dr Adequate
05-28-2013 4:28 PM


Re: How can you tell?
Thanks for the 404 error, I shall cherish it.

Hang on. Are you saying that there is nothing at the link that you provided as evidence when you said

But they did produce the pictures. They were exhibit P200022 in the Moussaoui trial, consisting of footage of of Flight 77 crashing into the Pentagon as taken by two security cameras in the Pentagon parking lot.

Personally, I am not at all surprised that there is nothing there . Thankfully, the video is available on Youtube as CS points out. Can you see a plane in the video?

I am not a conspiracy type of person. That is to say that I am usually one of the 98% that tunes out when I hear the word conspiracy. However, asking to see a picture of that plane strikes me as a legitimate request that should be easy to fill. It seems very odd that there would be no picture.

My point is simply to ask what would a conspiracy actually look like? It is as though once you pass a certain threshold of audacity then no one will believe that you tried to do such a thing even if you get caught.


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Dr Adequate
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Message 27 of 110 (699971)
05-29-2013 12:52 AM
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05-28-2013 9:10 PM


Re: How can you tell?
Hang on. Are you saying that there is nothing at the link that you provided as evidence when you said ...

It shows that they produced the footage in court.

However, asking to see a picture of that plane strikes me as a legitimate request that should be easy to fill. It seems very odd that there would be no picture.

Why?

My point is simply to ask what would a conspiracy actually look like?

Well, my little dialog pretty much shows you what a conspiracy wouldn't look like. If They wanted you to think that terrorists had flown a plane into the Pentagon, then They'd fly a plane into the Pentagon, They wouldn't use some other means to blow a hole in the Pentagon and then hastily ferry bits of a wrecked plane and corpses onto the site under the noses of the first responders and hope that no-one noticed just to give conspiracy theorists something to talk about, because why the heck would They? And if They did, They'd be happy to supply you with all the fake CCTV footage you'd want, these are people who can apparently fake a plane crash without anyone noticing anything untoward, They could also supply you with a picture of a 757 to look at.


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ProtoTypical
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Message 28 of 110 (699979)
05-29-2013 7:59 AM
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05-29-2013 12:52 AM


Re: How can you tell?
Why?

A plane travelling at 500mph moves 733 feet/sec. The average video camera takes at least 24 pictures/second. That is a picture every 30.5 ft of travel. There should be a clearly visible plane in those videos.

Sure there can be missing pieces to the puzzle but pieces that don't fit are another issue.


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New Cat's Eye
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Message 29 of 110 (699985)
05-29-2013 8:25 AM
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05-28-2013 9:08 PM


Re: How can you tell?
My only point is that we shouldn't dismiss cries of conspiracy just because the whole thing is incredibly brazen and unbelievable or because most cries of conspiracy are ridiculous.

Well we know that people, businesses, and governments do conspire. Part of the issue is that if you want to get away with it, then the plans tend to get awfully convoluted, and that makes them look less plausible.

If that is true, what possible scenario can you imagine that would justify the FBI's refusal to release that footage?

Obviously, its a conspiracy


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New Cat's Eye
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Message 30 of 110 (699986)
05-29-2013 8:30 AM
Reply to: Message 28 by ProtoTypical
05-29-2013 7:59 AM


Re: How can you tell?
According to this conspiracy theory, the FBI removed two frames from one of the videos to hide the plane:

http://youtu.be/TbREf_h09fA


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