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ringo
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Message 121 of 177 (736347)
09-07-2014 2:10 PM
Reply to: Message 116 by Colbard
09-07-2014 1:27 AM


Re: Discussing hollow earth theory and other nonsense
Colbard writes:

I don't feel threatened by another person's view because I can have my own, and I expect others to be the same.


What people are doing is pointing out the errors in your ideas.

Colbard writes:

But I guess you must have your reasons for coming in by numbers and jumping on someone who has an opinion that disagrees with common thinking.


Again, the reason is to point out the errors in your thinking.

Colbard writes:

The things I have posted cannot be found in creation websites.


To be able to say that, you must be quite an authority on creationist websites.

Edited by ringo, : Removed superfluity.


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Message 122 of 177 (736358)
09-08-2014 12:23 AM


A note from The Sensuous Curmudgeon
In regard to creationists and creationist websites, perhaps a few humble words of wisdom from The Sensuous Curmudgeon might be of interest.

In a recent blog, dealing with a letter to the editor by a creationist, The Sensuous Curmudgeon concludes:

Geoffrey’s letter is a very good one. Why? Because it supports your Curmudgeon’s often-expressed opinion on the futility of debating or even talking to adult creationists. If someone is still a creationist when he’s past his student years, there’s no way to break through whatever it is that grips him. Although we hear occasional tales of successful de-programming efforts, those are extremely rare. The effort may seem worth the bother to you, but we think it’s an unproductive expenditure of time.

http://sensuouscurmudgeon.wordpress.com/...dom-467-incurable

Hmmmm. I can think of a couple of examples, one from this very thread, which suggest the Curmudgeon is entirely correct.


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Message 123 of 177 (736393)
09-08-2014 7:48 PM
Reply to: Message 116 by Colbard
09-07-2014 1:27 AM


Re: Discussing hollow earth theory and other nonsense
Colbard writes:

But I guess you must have your reasons for coming in by numbers and jumping on someone who has an opinion that disagrees with common thinking.

We don't join hands before we pounce.


"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

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jar
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Message 124 of 177 (736394)
09-08-2014 8:24 PM
Reply to: Message 116 by Colbard
09-07-2014 1:27 AM


Re: Discussing hollow earth theory and other nonsense
But I guess you must have your reasons for coming in by numbers and jumping on someone who has an opinion that disagrees with common thinking.

My reason is that I am a Christian, raised as a Christian, educated in Christian schools and when someone makes utterly silly truly stupid claims and attributes them to the KJV Bible I of course take exception.


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Colbard
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Message 125 of 177 (740032)
10-31-2014 1:01 AM


Since I quit on the thread, there's not much of a talk going on between yourselves on the topic, going by the number of posts I thought you were really interested,
Do you miss having someone to slap down? Or does your own science bore you?

Edited by Colbard, : No reason given.

Edited by Colbard, : spelling


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ringo
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Message 126 of 177 (740065)
10-31-2014 12:55 PM
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10-31-2014 1:01 AM


Colbard writes:

Do you miss having someone to slap down?


You can't correct silence.
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NoNukes
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Message 127 of 177 (740083)
10-31-2014 7:07 PM
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10-31-2014 1:01 AM


Since I quit on the thread, there's not much of a talk going on between yourselves on the topic, going by the number of posts I thought you were really interested,

Your comment is idiotic. There had been discussion on the thread before your first comment, but the discussion ended sometime last year.

You then posted some a new, fairly silly comment which drew some more discussion, and then the new discussion ended.

Is any of that history even the least bit surprising?


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If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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Astrophile
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Message 128 of 177 (740154)
11-01-2014 6:13 PM
Reply to: Message 72 by Pressie
09-02-2014 7:00 AM


Re: Not hollow, but...
Jeremiah 31:37 (KJV)-
Thus saith the Lord; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done.

If I belonged to the seed of Israel, I should find this rather worrying.


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Colbard
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Message 129 of 177 (740157)
11-02-2014 1:34 AM
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11-01-2014 6:13 PM


Re: Not hollow, but...
Astrophile writes:

If I belonged to the seed of Israel, I should find this rather worrying.

The seed of Israel are those who belong by faith not necessarily through inheritance.

It is no worry, because the interior of the earth cannot and will not be discovered. It can be known about, as in the past, but never uncovered or discovered.

The best way to prove that wrong is the be able to discover it, which will never happen.


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edge
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Message 130 of 177 (740173)
11-02-2014 10:57 AM
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11-02-2014 1:34 AM


Re: Not hollow, but...
It is no worry, because the interior of the earth cannot and will not be discovered. It can be known about, as in the past, but never uncovered or discovered.

And?

Do you have a point here?


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jar
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Message 131 of 177 (740207)
11-02-2014 6:27 PM
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11-02-2014 1:34 AM


Re: Not hollow, but...
It is no worry, because the interior of the earth cannot and will not be discovered. It can be known about, as in the past, but never uncovered or discovered.

The best way to prove that wrong is the be able to discover it, which will never happen.

Is this more of your NewSpeak?

Why can't the interior of the earth be discovered?


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 132 of 177 (740999)
11-08-2014 9:47 PM
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11-02-2014 10:57 AM


Re: Not hollow, but...
Edge writes:

And?
Do you have a point here?

The interior of the earth cannot be fathomed or discovered, but only theorized about.


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Colbard
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Message 133 of 177 (741003)
11-08-2014 10:12 PM
Reply to: Message 131 by jar
11-02-2014 6:27 PM


Re: Not hollow, but...
Jar writes:

Is this more of your NewSpeak?

Why can't the interior of the earth be discovered?

Firstly because according to the text given earlier, the security of God's people is dependent on the promise that if the interior of the earth can be discovered then the relationship is over. My bet is that God will not call His relationship off, so men will never uncover the foundations of the earth.

From what I have studied in ancient science, the interior of the earth does not consist of rocks and lava, even though those things occur in the crust of course.
They seemed to know about something else - a type of antimatter you might say, which does away with the need for a rock interior, and can be just as strong if not stronger than materials as we know them.

I know it sounds bizarre. but there you go. But according to this if we dug down far enough, the end of the drills would disappear, without breaking or melting, just a clean mop-up of material by the force inside. Which is what has been happening.

At this depth, we also find that sound and earthquake waves are mysteriously accelerated, as if the waves have hit a very solid surface, even more solid than the crust, rather than a semi molten state. then below that strange layer called the MOHO, we have the waves behaving like the earth is molten. But it does not have to be anything inside, except what the Bible describes as the "waters." the very force mentioned in Genesis. Not literal water, but something that acts like it, heavy dark mobile. One of the forces used to create the universe.

Just to sound even more bizarre, this force called the waters, if you were able to get into it, you would be annihilated, and yet your energy spread out into practical infinity.
That's why the ancients called it the shadow of death, or the underworld in the later religions. And still later religions called it hell, that's where the hell theory comes from - pagan teachings. But it is not true. Its just a way that God has made celestial bodies, like the planets and stars.

Now, science has trouble with sizes and related masses, and so in many cases have hollowed planets out to make sense of the gravitational laws.
Say for instance, Saturn. They say that it is so light that it would float in water.
That's how much they have had to hollow out this planet in theory.
if not it would not stay in orbit.


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jar
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Message 134 of 177 (741004)
11-08-2014 10:13 PM
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11-08-2014 9:47 PM


Where's the beef?
Why not? I've asked you before and you have never provided an answer.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 135 of 177 (741005)
11-08-2014 10:15 PM
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11-08-2014 9:47 PM


Re: Not hollow, but...
The interior of the earth cannot be fathomed or discovered, but only theorized about.

We can gather data through a variety of methods, and then make attempts to analyze and organize that data.

Why do you say we can't do all of this?


Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein

How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein

It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle

If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1

"Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.


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