Well, I haven't seen anybody in this thread argue against a sustainable system, . . . yet. (The spirit of my thread IS against strip mining, fracking, oil production, etc.. There are no sustainable systems with these items, agreed?)
I think Nature's rights is a fiction, and what is really being defended is the interest humans have in enjoying/utilizing nature. Does anyone think there is any respect for a right of Nature to keep some amount of petroleum in the ground? I certainly don't.
With respect to petroleum, oil mining is not self sustaining, but that lack affects humans not Nature. Does anyone respect the right of the earth to maintain any specific temperature, amount of underground oil, amount of frozen water, or sea level or is it the problems those cause for humans that ought to be respected.
Maybe some people would recognize the rights of some animals to a survivable habitat, but rights of nature? Pure fiction.
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree; ‘That the intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how the heaven goes.’ Galileo Galilei 1615.
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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