Why did the Christian messiah fail to fulfill the messianic prophecies?

Attaching meanings to the positions of planets in the zodiac is astrology. Period.Your initial claim wasn't just about the star the wise men followed, but that the stars contained the story of "the Gospel". I am going to assume that your post here is actually what you meant.ABE:FWIW, I took a university course in NT Bible, and I read about a number of attempts to tie the Star of Bethlehem to various astronomical phenomena (conjunction, super nova, comets) or to date Christ's birth in other ways. The dates ranged about a decade or so on either side of 1 AD. I doubt that any one of those possibilities is much better than any other. The date isn't given in the Bible, so Christians just have to deal with not knowing.Edited by NoNukes, : added by edit.

Everything you post is bullshit.There, you got a response. Happy now?Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

Find me one person in ancient times who called it that or stop making shit up.

NO, Enoch designed the Great Pyramid....... obviously thinking 100,000 slaves built it is non sense, neither were the Egyptians advanced to know the design of the Universe, Earth, Moon etc.. Enoch knew because he went to be with the Lord of Creation and DesignEnoch designed the Great Pyramid,The Great Pyramid at Giza, was not designed by Pharaoh but by Enoch, the man who walked with God.’ (Read the
”Book of Enoch’ - Genesis 5: 24). Egyptian laborers were used but the intelligence in the exact design came
from the DESIGNER of the Universe, and that’s what Enoch passed on to the builders of the Great Pyramid. It was
not a mere burial tomb for a dead Pharaoh, but was meant to show ”in stone’ the Timeline of Mankind until the
2nd Coming of the King of Kings. (SEE Great Pyramid Time Prophecy). This is why; it incorporates the dimensions of
the Earth, Moon, and the template of life called the Golden Section which the Creator used in both the microcosm as
well as the macrocosm (SEE Golden Section Graphics).And therefore of all the ”Seven Wonders of the World’ only the Great Pyramid has been preserved by the Lord
as a witness to His Greatness, design and TIMING until the END. None of the others have been preserved and remain,
only the GREAT PYRAMID of the Lord.And it is because Enoch was the master builder, that the Great Pyramid in ancient times was called ”Enoch’s
Pillar’. His godly influence as a ”desert shepherd’ in turning the Pharaoh’s heart temporarily to the Lord
ruled, before the Egyptian rulers reverted back to their worship of many gods. Enoch’s Pillar was placed exactly as a
boundary and cornerstone in Egypt, as only the Creator of the whole world would have known.For as Isaiah said . . In that day shall there be an altar to the Lord in the MIDST of the land of Egypt and a PILLAR at
the BORDER thereof to the Lord. Isaiah 19: 20For the Great Pyramid was not just a stone structure stuck randomly on the plateau of Giza. The Lord’s PILLAR,
the Great Pyramid of Giza, is situated exactly at the center of gravity of the Earth, as geographers and mathematicians
have now found out. For do remember that the Earth at one time was just one land mass, which the Lord later divided
and spread apart, not by inch by inch continental drift, but by cataclysmic power after the Flood. (SEE Geography
Mysteries, Adam to Flood Timeline and Continental Drift )Consequently the Giza location is also on the longest possible landmass line whether in longitude or latitude. And
hence any true researcher has to come to the conclusion that the Great Pyramid’s very location was divinely
inspired and NOT chosen by accident or chance.And similarly, this type of boundary marker of the Lord, was NOT just done in Giza, but even the Children of Israel
were instructed to build one as a WITNESS to succeeding generations. (SEE Joshua 22 ) Similarly, even the angels that
preceded the FALL built a 500 foot high pyramid as an altar unto the Creator. (SEE Cydonia Pyramid on Mars). Again
this height being consistent with the height of Giza, and the height of even Glastonbury Tor, all miniatures of the
Greatest Temple of ALL, the phi designed, Crystal Pyramid of Eternity, New Jerusalem. (SEE New Jerusalem is a
Crystal Pyramid)And if you study pyramidology, you will soon discover that an inch equals a year in time by theory. And that theory
accurately and precisely parallels the exact history of the Earth when you add up all the 500 feet of both its height and
its passageways. Why because 500 feet equals 6000 inches which equals 6000 years.And Enoch stated very precisely that there was going to be Seven thousand years before the Earth was renewed. And
when you take away one thousand years, for the Lord’s Millennial rule before this NEW HEAVEN and NEW Earth,
and descent of New Jerusalem to the Earth, then that leaves us with a 6,000 year rule of man. Hence the Pillar of Enoch
was a n exact prophetic marker and WITNESS as well as an altar, from which His people were to give glory and honor
to the Creator. And that is why, internally it’s dimensions and sarcophagus parallels the most sacred Temple of All,
the TABERNACLE consisting of The ARK of the Covenant inside the HOLY OF HOLIES. The parallels are exact
because the Lord is exact. (SEE Ark and Sacrophagus)But in case you still don’t believe after what you have studied and researched so far. Do notice that as you proceed
in time down the ascending passage way of the Great Pyramid to the Flood of Noah, and upwards to Christ and the start
of the Grand Gallery, and then onto the Great Step, you pass thru the Ante Room. (SEE Frequency Corelation of 29
Steps) And what is the dimension of this room before you enter into the King’s Chamber . . It’s circular
circumference touching each side and floor is 365.24 inches. And when you change this revolution in inches into time,
you get 365 years which is the exact length of Enoch’s life while here on Earth. (SEE Genesis 5: 23) And when you
convert every inch into a day, you get 365.24 days which is the exact number of days it takes the Earth to travel around
the SUN (SEE Tabernacle of the SUN) And so with these measurements you have the confirmation from the Lord that
Enoch was the man He sent to design His temple and Boundary, and WITNESS, and they have called this
circumference, ”ENOCH’S CIRCLE’In My OpinionIn His ServiceDavid Jay JordanFor further confirmations
SEE
Entrance to the Pit of Descent
Christos Angle to the Womb
Great Step of Faith . KJV
31.68 Latitude and BethlehemFrom EnochdesignedtheGreatPyramid

So, you can't find a single person in ancient times who called it Enoch's pillar?Then maybe you should stop saying so.

DavidJay, what shape does the Earth have?

Yes, you're right, but this is all about the Bible and the meanings ARE there, God's work one should suppose. The Fall put it all in the hands of the demons and the usual uses of astrology are to be avoided, but for reflecting God's own work why shouldn't it be taken seriously? No, I think there is reason to believe it does contain the gospel although I haven't studied it all out. This video doesn't try to make that case, though he refers to the book The Witness of the Stars that does, but he does get into questions about what happened on the day of the crucifixion as well as around Jesus' birth. One thing this video does show is that there are quite a few references in the Bible to signs in the heavens most of us don't think about.I don't find any of this outlandish. Don't be such a liberal. God is God, and this isn't like the pyramid of Giza which doesn't have a single reference in the Bible that I know of. Well, you don't know, do you? Larson discusses problems about pinning down the date, and discusses various possibilities that have been considered to explain the star, and shows why they don't work in terms of the description given in the Bible itself. Did your class consider the Biblical description? For starters it couldn't be a fast-moving object like a comet. Larson's candidate fits the brightness requirement, and explains how a moving celestial object can actually be seen to stop moving. It's also symbolically very interesting.ABE: Oh and as I understood from this video, tracking anything in the sky closely enough over even a few years in order to identify a particular phenomenon that lasted only a short time, is impossible. If it were possible Kepler would have found the star. You have to start with the most reasonable date you can come up with, and I think Larson makes a good case for his choice, although that's always where the weakness lies./ABE Nobody has a problem with that. But if Kepler saw fit to try why shouldn't anyone else? Kepler had only his excellent mind for math but we have an astronomy program that can track the sky for thousands of years. Don't be such a liberal.ABE: If the Bible refers to signs in the heavens as part of prophecies of great events, surely God expects us to try to interpret them correctly. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Off topic. Hey, NoNukes, Faith thinks she swore at you by calling you 'such a liberal'. You really should set her straight!

Placed twice. Sorry.Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.

Naa, it was a friendly little tweak, that's all.

Just like the Bible codes are there too? No, one should not suppose that every bunch of superstitious numerology that one might apply to the Bible yields meaning. In particular, the kind of stuff that the text itself warns against ought to be especially suspect. Okay. Then I am going to recall that you call this stuff that you have not studied all out, evidence...at some time I find convenient. An eclipse lasts only a few minutes, but those can be predicted very closely for decades/centuries in advanced or in the past. I am fully aware of the difficulties involved with making long term predictions. What kind of argument is that. For one thing, I did not say that one should not try. What I suggested was that such tries would not be fruitful.Isaac Newton saw fit to practice alchemy and poked needles behind his own eyes. Why shouldn't anyone else? Lol.

What does the Bible say again about the Moon being in Seventh House? And Jupiter aligning with Mars? Wait, that was the Fifth Dimension. Yes. What would be the point, otherwise? It was a Bible course and not an astronomy course.Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

You're acting worse than a liberal these days, you are being positively ill-tempered and unfair.No it is not like the bible codes, there are references to celestial events in connection with Jesus' birth and crucifixion. It's in the CONTENT of the Bible itself, not something imposed on the text.Since I haven't claimed anything as evidence relating to the gospel in the stars it would be just a curmudgeonly ill-tempered false claim to make.An eclipse is predictable in time because the movements of the solar system are predictable and its cause is known and can be tracked easily through time, but something that needs to be identified as a "star" could be all kinds of things in all kinds of time frames. Most of the candidates, however, would last more than a few minutes, a conjunction for a few days at least.Don't be such a crab.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

By the way have you watched ANY of the video?

I am being completely fair as well as truthful. I see that the veneer of civility was become worn. Which zodiac signs and planets were included in those references, Faith? A conjunction consists of an aligning of planets in the solar system with other planets or the background of stars. They are as predictable as any other solar system event. They are a bit more rare Predictions over 1000s of years do have some inaccuracies, but predictions over decades or centuries are completely possible. I have done them myself. Really? So I lied? Then who wrote this in Message 399: I am not the liar here. Sigh.Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.