Why did the Christian messiah fail to fulfill the messianic prophecies?

I have to make a correction since I've been watching the video again: he dismisses the comet on a number of grounds, one being that historically it's normally regarded as an omen of doom, and the other being that there is no comet in the Chinese astronomical records for the years near Christ's birth. He dismisses the nova because it would be bright enough for everyone to have seen it, and because it also doesn't appear in the Chinese records. He discusses these things around 25.00 in the video.You really should watch it. You're making a lot of unwarranted suppositions based on ignorance.

No, I am not. I am not discussing the video at all. I have no problem with someone trying to identify the star of Bethlehem. While I don't think such a thing is possible, the attempt is astronomy and not astrology. I've been perfectly clear about what I think is BS.

Perhaps as a way to bring this discussion to a close I think I'll post the video again. It does include astrological as well as astronomical information in its interpretation of the scriptures.

I appreciate the recommendation. I'm not the least bit interested in astrology/numerology, so I will most likely leave this video alone. It does not seem that there is anything new here regarding attempts to find dates that correspond to the birth of Christ using astronomy.

So I'll spell out the signs and wonders for whoever might be interested:About 32:00 He identifies Jupiter the "king planet" making three close conjunctions with Regulus, the "king star" in September of 3BC the month of Rosh Hashana, the Jewish New Year. This conjunction is occurring in the sign of Leo the Lion, the animal representative of the Tribe of Judah from which the Messiah is prophesied to come, and at the same time the constellation of Virgo rises right behind Leo, the woman of Revelation "clothed in the sun, with a crown of twelve stars on her head and the moon at her feet," a sliver of a New Moon because this is Rosh Hashana which starts with a new moon. Sohere's the astrology along with the astronomy, but it's all in the same sky. (all this starts about 32.00, goes to 42)He considers that maybe this isn't the birth of Jesus but the conception so he checks the sky nine months later, in late June of 2BC. This is where the bright star shows up, the conjunction of Jupiter, the king/father star, with Venus, the mother star, which he says is shown in planetariums around Christmas (if he already knew this I don't know why he is searching for it, but anyway) This seems to put Jesus' birth toward the end of June of 2BC.But he doesn't seem to be particularly interested in this for some reason. He goes on to the Magi and their journey to see the newborn King. He tracks Jupiter leading the way and shows that it stands still over Bethlehem-- because it has come to the point where it turns retrograde, where a planet appears to stop moving. He also shows that this occurred on December 25 of 2BC. Hm? The date the Magi brought gifts to the then six-months-old baby was the same as our Christmas? Well, that's what the software shows, which is interesting if he has his dates right for the other events. Not Jesus' birth but the visit of the Magi. Odd but there it is. (47.00)He reviews what he's shown so far, and then about 49:00 he goes on to talk about the crucifixion. First he quotes the prophet Joel as Peter quoted him on Pentecost, "I will show wonders in the heavens above and signs on the earth below... [blood, fire, smoke, darkened sun, blood moon....]" (51-52) From 53-55+ he gives clues to the date of the crucifixion, concluding that it had to have happened in a year when Nisan 14 occurred on a Friday. That plus some other clues take him to April 3rd, 33AD. He finds there was a blood moon on that date that occurred about the time Jesus died and the NASA program also shows that the sign Virgo (the woman of Revelation) rises with the blood moon at her feet, rounding out what he calls the celestial poem that started on Rosh Hashana in September of 3BC.If you aren't interested maybe someone else is. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Yes, you are in the general area, exactly as prophesied in Daniel 9, which still has not been allowed to be discussed because of its exactness. But someday it might be allowed HERE.Evolutionists and atheists I assume have to have time to study up on addition and multiplication.This dating showing the 1,000 year span time periods since creation4004 BC
1004 BC
4 BC
1997 ADJacobs troubleLast Week of Daniel2nd ComingMillinial Rule 1000 years1000YearDivisionsDavid Jay Jordan's Great Pyramid ProphecyCompare 6,000 Years of Man's History4004 B.C.
This date is easily confirmed by using the Bible genealogies in Genesis, the First Book of the Bible. For according to the
number of years from a birth of one of our forefathers to the birth of the next generation son until, a known and recognized date
is found like the years of King David, then this summation gives us the number of years backwards to the Days of Creation..
SEE Forefathers Timeline Graphics2004 B.C.
In Genesis 12: 4, it states that Abarham was 75 years old when he obeyed the Lord and left Haran by FAITH, this according to
the numbers being in 1921 B.C.. (SEE Side dating in most KJV Bibles) This meaning he was born in around 1997 B.C. which
correlates amazingly to the End of 6,000 Years in 1997 A.D. And hence 2004 B.C. was during the time frame of Terah and was
SEVEN Years previous to the birth of Abraham and His Step of FAITH1004 B.C.
According to I Kings 8, Solomon moved the Ark of the Covenant into the city of David (Jerusalem) in 1005 B.C. And so let's
consider this closeness to 1004 B.C. as a co-relation.4 B.C.
There are varying dates for the Lord's Birth Year, but because of the divisions of time and His exactness, let's use 4 B.C. as the
date of His birth, because of the way, this number fits so perfectly in with prophecy. (SEE Great Pyramid Prophecy). This
making his death in 30. A.D.1997 A.D.
If 4004 B.C. was the date of Creation, then exactly 6000 years later would make the Year 1997 A.D. for the End of Man's
Rule, and so the Lord's rule would have to start with the Lord's Two End Time Prophets, search for the Lord's Bride in the
'Additional 21 Years' of Service required to obtain these 144,000 Virgin Brides. This ending in 2017, when all of the Lord's
Brides shall be sealed at the start of the Great Tribulation. (SEE Prophecy Timelines)And so just like the Lord created the world in seven 'Literal Days', so He has made seven thousand years as the timeline before
He gets us into Eternity when there will be no more counting of days. There is six thousand years of man's history, this being
from 4004 B.C. to 1997 A.D. and then the 1,000 year reign of the Lord called the Millenium starts. (SEE Revelation 20:3) This
being exactly what he told his servant Enoch, that went to be with Him and the person He sent to Design the Great Pyramid.
For Enoch wrote ...."And I appointed the eighth day also, that the eighth day should be the first-created after my work, and that the first
seven revolve in the form of the seventh thousand, and that at the beginning of the eighth thousand there should be a
time of not-counting, endless, with neither years nor months nor weeks nor days nor hours.And now, Enoch, all that I have told you, all that you have understood, all that you have seen of heavenly things, all
that you have seen on earth, and all that I have written in books by my great wisdom, all these things I have devised
and created from the uppermost foundation to the lower and to the end, and there is no counsellor nor inheritor to my
creations. I am self-eternal, not made with hands, and without change.My thought is my counsellor, my wisdom and my word are made, and my eyes observe all things how they stand here
and tremble with terror" (From Book of the secrets of Enoch Chapter 33)In My OpinionDavid Jay JordanBack to Prophecy Timelines

Retrograde motion is the point where a planet would appear to move backwards against the backdrop of stars. However, that is not the same thing as not moving with respect to folks on earth. The earth's diurnal rotation causes even the stationary stars to rotate in the sky. Not sure that this explanation works.Edited by NoNukes, : replace annual with daily.

It was not yet in retrograde, it had just stopped before going retrograde, that is why it looked like it had stopped. I understand retrograde just fine. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

One more thing that for some reason he didn't report in the video: The crucifixion of course occurred in the sign of Aries the ram (April), symbolizing the Lamb of God who was sacrificed for our sins. Virgo the virgin rises with the blood moon at her feet but not clothed in the sun because this isn't her month; the ram is clothed in the sun.On the DVD which I have, at the very end he gives a shot of the earth from the moon on the day of the crucifixion, and it shows the earth against the backdrop of the constellation/sign of Aries the ram.(Virgo is in September, exactly opposite Aries in April; the blood moon means the moon is in the shadow of the earth, that is, directly opposite the sun, so if Earth is viewed from the (blood) moon on that day --at the time of Jesus' death -- the sun would be in Aries behind the Earth which would be situated in that sign. I must admit this gives me the shivers.)I haven't looked it up again but my nephew tells me the earth is located where the heart of the ram would be, showing God's love to humanity ... that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believeth on him... Celestial poem indeed.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Sigh. Retrograde does not mean that the planet does not follow all of the rest of the stars around the sky. If Jupiter had just stopped before reversing, it would still appear to traverse the night sky exactly as do the stars.Planets other than Mercury and Venus move relatively small amounts against the background of stars at all times. Jupiter does that even when not in apparent retrograde motion. Regardless of whether you understand that, apparently what you don't understand is that stopping before going retrograde would not make a planet continue to hover over Bethlehem.Got it now?Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

It's not been noticeable, has it?Let's see, 1997 ... Tony Blair became British Prime Minister, Mike Tyson bit that guy's ear off, and Tiger Woods became the youngest person to win the Masters. The first Harry Potter book came out. Scientists in Scotland announced the first mammalian clone.But no sign of the "1,000 year reign of the Lord called the Millenium" which you say is described in Revelation 20. Obviously the reign of Christ is very low-key.But I'll tell you what else I didn't notice. 'Cos the millennium is meant to come after the reign of the Beast (Revelation 13) of whom it is written "Power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb".I didn't notice anything like that happening, did you?This of course comes after Revelation 9. I guess the media must have hushed that up, yes?

Yes I didn't take that into account, you're right.BUT IF the star was Jupiter then the idea would be that the Magi saw it right over Bethlehem in the phase where it had stopped before turning retrograde. It would appear stopped for some days so it would keep returning to that position too. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

It's weird, y'know, when we provide naturalistic explanations for things you get all snippy.

Doc Inadequate, keep looking for errors but at least you are following along and admit the six thousand year periods..From JacobsTroubleJacob's Trouble
( 1997 to 2017/18 )For thus saith the LORD; We have heard a voice of trembling, of fear, and not of peace. Ask ye now, and see whether a man
doth travail with child? wherefore do I see every man with his hands on his loins, as a woman in travail, and all faces are
turned into paleness? Alas! for that Day is Great, so that none is like it: it is even the Time of JACOB'S TROUBLE, but he
shall be Saved out of it. (Jeremiah 30: 7).This obviously speaking about the End Time, as we are the 144,000 Brides of Christ, flee into the wilderness travailing in
birth because the Anti-Christ has declared war against us.And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a
crown of twelve stars: And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. .... And the woman fled
into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and
threescore days. .... And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which
keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ (Revelation 1,2, 6, 17)But how many years was Jacob in trouble in the past. What was the foreshadowing and how long was this trouble, before
Jacob escaped out of the hands of Laban ?. Just read it yourself in Genesis , for there, Jacob had to serve a week or seven years
for Leah, and then a week or seven years for Rachel, and then finnally a week or seven years for all the other sheep, he was to
take with him and them.And Laban had two daughters: the name of the elder was Leah, and the name of the younger was Rachel. Leah was tender eyed;
but Rachel was beautiful and well favoured. And Jacob loved Rachel; and said, I will serve thee SEVEN YEARS for Rachel thy
younger daughter ( Genesis 29: 16-18 )A week referring to the word 'shubuah' meaning seven years, the same word used in Daniel 9 in the Prophecy concerning the
Coming Messiah and the Last Week or Seven Years concerning the time until the Messiah comes back the second time.And Jacob did so, and fulfilled her week: and he gave him Rachel his daughter to wife also. ( Genesis 29: 28)So altogether for all his wifes and all his other sheep Jacob had to serve a toal of 21 Years. This was the time frame of
Jacob's Trouble before he got delivered. Before, He now called Israel, made his EXODUS, away from Laban. In our case, its
the exact same parallel, as it takes us 21 years to gather Leah and Rachel, and another 7 years to gather the OTHER SHEEP for
the Lord's Fold and Flock and then prepare to flee to the place that the Lord has prepared for us during the Great Tribulation.
In other words, the same archetype or pattern takes place as it did for Jacob and His trouble, as we shall be experiencing when
we flee to the mountains and wilderness lead by our TWO WITNESSES. And how long does it take, exactly 21 years after the
end of the 6,000 years of world history. It ending in 1997, hence adding 21 years brings us to 2017 when the Last Seven Years
starts.... with the signing of the Covenant. For then, we prepare to flee and make the GREAT SECOND EXODUS 3.5 years
later, because the dam devil in the A.C. has declared war on us. This is why it referred to as Jacob's trouble, or true Israel's
SECOND EXODUS from Egypt.Six 1000 year span
Great Pyramid ProphecyAre you piecing together the Lord's prophecy into One.?

No, I just didn't want to give NN any credit for anything, but I had a change of heart and decided to admit I'd missed that point and corrected it in the post.It's not about naturalistic explanations since there's nothing in the video that isn't naturalistic.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.