Is God one or three?

Of course we know that God is ONE, scripture is very clear about that. But scripture also tells us that the Messiah has the attributes of God and that the Holy Spirit has the attributes of God. Scripture says that, scripture. In the Hebrew scriptures there are many hints but two in particular are Jeremiah where the Messiah is called "GOD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS" and the other is Isaiah where He is called WONDERFUL COUNSELOR, THE MIGHTY GOD, THE EVERLASTING FATHER, PRINCE OF PEACE. Sure you can rationalize that away and I know you will but as it stands it is very clearly the Name of the Messiah, His actual nature.But then we have many places in the New Testament where Jesus identifies Himself with God as well. And the Holy Spirit, again, is described with the attributes of God. AND all three are described as separate individual personalities or "persona." Hence, One God in Three Persons.Here is one of many studies of the relevant scriptures at Blue Letter Bible, An Outline Study. This is one of the few subjects that can only be answered by a list of scriptures that is too long to reproduce in a post. Here is a list of the topics covered in the linked outline: So he starts of course with the scriptures that affirm that God is One. The Trinity is revealed by the other scriptures that describe the Messiah as Jehovah God and Jesus Christ as Jehovah God, the Holy Spirit as Jehovah God etc. The Father is one of the three Persons but sometimes is referred to merely as "God" depending on context.The Lord our God is indeed ONE GOD, but three separate persons make up that one God. ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE. We can't comprehend this but there it is in the scripture so it must be acknowledged.So if you will consider this honestly you can see that the Trinity is definitely Biblical.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Anymore? I've never denied it. The Christian Church for 2000 years has never denied it. You simply don't know what it means. It means of one unique essence, utterly different from anything else in existence. There are three who share that essence. That makes them all God. You might consider the evidence instead of ignoring it. The Names of God in the scriptures are always His Attributes, His very Nature. To call Him Mighty God or Everlasting Father or God our Righteousness is to say He is God, has the attributes of God, is of the essence of God. It doesn't say he is God does it? It says God is helper. The Messianic names say He is God, God our Righteousness, Mighty God, Everlasting Father. I'm sure you can read, it just serves your purposes not to when you can't face the truth. None of those names call the person God, they say something ABOUT God. Do I have to repeat this obvious fact? The Names of the Messiah call Him God. See above. One God, One essence, One "substance" as some definitions say, One character, One set of attributes which all three and no others share. That's what makes them Three in One. Oh the lovely Jehovah always was three, He does not change, He is forever Himself in Three Persons, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. The three are implied in many places in the OT. Yes including "Let Us make man in our Image." It was God the Son who appeared to Joshua as the Commander of the Host. Psalm 2:12 admonishes us to "kiss the Son," in Psalm 110:1 David says The LORD said to my Lord, and Jesus in Mark 12:36 asks how the son of David can also be the Lord of David? Because He's God. It does indeed teach that. It also shows the Messiah and the Holy Spirit to be of the very nature of the One Jehovah/YHWH God. And we DO say that He is Yahweh/Jehovah. He is Jehovah God the SON. We have Jehovah God the Father, Jehovah God the Son and Jehovah God the Holy Spirit. No, you are committing a common mistake people make. The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are three separate Persons, separate and distinct, but all are of the essence of God. The Father is not the Son or the Holy Spirit, The Son is not the Father or the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit is not the Father or the Son, but all three are separate and distinct, all three sharing the attributes of Jehovah God. You are identifying God the Father exclusively with Jehovah, but He is the First Person of Three who are all Jehovah. No, we don't make that mistake though you do. Jesus was both God and man, and would pray to God as a man, but also as Son He was subordinate to the Father, not different in essence but subordinate in rank. Father and Son are two different PERSONS, though one God. The Father has a different will than the Son. Yes, subordinate in rank, not in essence. No, the Son is subjected to the Father, two separate Persons of one and the same Essence. No, the Son cried out to the Father, and the Man cried out to God. This is Jesus speaking the words of Psalm 22:1, a messianic psalm describing what He has come to suffer. He was forsaken by the Father for our sins which He bore in His body, the sins we deserve to be punished for, but He took the punishment upon Himself, which of course means He was being forsaken in our place -- WE deserve to be forsaken by God and Jesus had to endure it to pay for our sins; and it was very hard for Him to bear, to be forsaken by the Father with whom He had always had intimate fellowship. Jehovah God the Son is seated at the right hand of Jehovah God the Father. Sometimes "God" refers to the Father because the Father is superior in rank, not essence, rank. Different verses say He took up His own life, the Father raised Him and the Holy Spirit raised Him; all three Persons raised Him. But God can't die, only the human body He inhabited as a Man could die. That is true of all of us, our bodies die but our spirits live on after death, nothing unusual there. Unfortunately you keep making some very common mistakes about what we believe, so that you fail to see how He is God. But you also have a vested interest, your Jewish identity, in refusing to see it, don't you? Not in so many words, no, but it is thoroughly embodied in the many separate descriptions I have shown you.Since Jesus IS Jehovah then there is nothing pagan about our worshiping Him, and there is everything wrong with your refusing to bow to Him. We DO love the Lord our God with all our heart, with all our soul and with all our might thanks to His redeeming grace ... God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

You just keep ignoring the evidence that's been given and asserting your belief over and over again. The Trinity is proved by a collection of verses in both OT and NT, it is not stated, it is embodied in the many descriptions of Father, Son and Holy Spirit in the Biblical text.The study at the link I gave in Message 13 spells it out.It's derived from scripture. Not according to the scripture from which it is derived, which clearly says that God is One and that three separate Persons are that God.If God is One, which scripture affirms, and the Father has the attributes of God, and the Messiah/Son has the attributes of God, and the Holy Spirit has the attributes of God, you have One God in Three Persons, you do not have three gods.Scripture. Scripture.Scripture is the sole source of the Trinity. It is the very Bible you think you believe that you are arguing with.The Trinity is proved, end of subject.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

But not entirely, enough is based on the OT to make the case, not to mention that on the general subject of the Messiah I showed that there are Jewish teachers who recognize the Suffering Servant as Messianic, which any honest person ought to acknowledge undoes any accusation that Christians made it up.And YOU do realize, I hope, that he's arguing with a Christian who is hardly going to be persuaded by an argument based entirely on Jewish traditional debunkery of the claims of Christ that the Church has dealt with over and over down the centuries. He needs to be answered whether he himself benefits from the answer or not. We've had this discussion about this particular link on the thread Bible Something or Traditions of Men, where Purpledawn defended my use of it because I did sketch out the basic argument the link supports and because the entire collection of scriptures is the answer to the challenge, no one or few points being sufficient for the purpose.

You are refusing to recognize the actual facts that SHOW the Trinity from scripture that I have supplied for your consideration, verses that say God is One, verses that say Messiah/Jesus has the attributes of God, verses that say the Holy Spirit has the attributes of God, verses that say that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit act independently of one another and are therefore separate Persons. This is not theory, these are simple facts that together SHOW that God exists in Three Persons while being One God. Address the facts given instead of just shooting off YOUR theories about what I've been saying. That is in fact impossible from the actual scriptural facts which have been shown to you. The scripture shows that there are Three and only Three who all possess the attributes of God. They blindly deny the evidence, just as you do. Clear Biblical references that SHOW that God is three, a Trinity, have been shown to you. Which is what gives you the excuse to ignore the proof that there are Three who share in the attributes of that One, as SHOWN in the scriptures. Since "God is One" is the first affirmation in the proofs of the Trinity, you are here misrepresenting the argument to the point of lying about it.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.