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Author Topic:   The Specific Cause of the "Evolution vs. 'Creationism'" Controversy, and of the appar
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Message 31 of 41 (744767)
12-15-2014 10:45 AM
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12-14-2014 3:19 PM


Re: Why 'Creationism, et. al. is vain babbling
Phat writes:

ringo writes:

He can, however, be proven wrong by using a different definition.


Objectively or subjectively?

"Proof" implies objectivity.

Edited by ringo, : Fixed quote.


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Message 32 of 41 (744768)
12-15-2014 10:50 AM
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12-14-2014 8:51 PM


Re: Why 'Creationism, et. al. is vain babbling
NoNukes writes:

You claimed to be taking up the challenge, but you actually did not bother to do anything but assert.


The only challenge a bare assertion needs is another assertion.

NoNukes writes:

But it also contained a challenge to disprove his statement.


Sure, he wanted us to disprove the statement to his satisfaction. I don't give a flying @#$% about that. I'm just pointing out to any sensible person reading this thread that his challenge is completely empty.
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Message 33 of 41 (744774)
12-15-2014 11:58 AM
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12-15-2014 10:50 AM


Re: Why 'Creationism, et. al. is vain babbling
The only challenge a bare assertion needs is another assertion.

That's cute and rhythmic. But it's not true in this case. In particular, Genesis says nothing about what is required to be born again, so your 'another assertion' is woefully short of even being responsive, let alone meeting the challenge.

Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.


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I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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Message 34 of 41 (744776)
12-15-2014 12:21 PM
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12-15-2014 11:58 AM


Re: Why 'Creationism, et. al. is vain babbling
NoNukes writes:

In particular, Genesis says nothing about what is required to be born again....


You make my point. Genesis is not related to being born again, so the "challenge" is empty.
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Message 35 of 41 (744786)
12-15-2014 4:31 PM
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12-15-2014 12:21 PM


Re: Why 'Creationism, et. al. is vain babbling
You make my point. Genesis is not related to being born again, so the "challenge" is empty.

ringo, you are twisting in the breeze because you don't have a point.

Remember that your initial claim was that you could just redefine. Now you are claiming to have agreed with me all along. Total BS.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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Message 36 of 41 (744828)
12-16-2014 10:39 AM
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12-15-2014 4:31 PM


Re: Why 'Creationism, et. al. is vain babbling
NoNukes writes:

Remember that your initial claim was that you could just redefine. Now you are claiming to have agreed with me all along.


You don't have to work so hard at misunderstanding.

I'm not agreeing with you. I'm saying that your "point" is nonsense. You're going in both directions at once and running into yourself.


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Message 37 of 41 (744944)
12-17-2014 2:23 AM
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12-16-2014 10:39 AM


Re: Why 'Creationism, et. al. is vain babbling
You don't have to work so hard at misunderstanding.

I understand completely. You are employing the same silly argument style you use in every thread.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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12-17-2014 8:00 AM


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Message 39 of 41 (745079)
12-18-2014 7:39 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by ringo
12-14-2014 2:34 PM


Re: Why 'Creationism, et. al. is vain babbling
My point did not relate Genesis to regeneration. My specific point was that a belief in the validity of evolution is not in any way a hindrance to someone receiving Christ as their Savior: by the Father embodied in the Son becoming the life-giving Spirit to enter into and become mingled with their human spirit.
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Message 40 of 41 (745080)
12-18-2014 7:54 PM
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12-14-2014 1:54 PM


Re: Why 'Creationism, et. al. is vain babbling
Being born again is a matter of life, not knowledge. It is NOT believing in a philosophy, religion, or determining to practice certain ethics or morals. You have a physical existence because you were born biologically of a physical father. God is Spirit. Human beings are created with a human spirit to contain God. Being born again is what happens when a human being realizes and recognizes that God became a man to reach and redeem mankind whom He loves. You simply receive all that the Father is and that the Son accomplished as a free eternal gift as the Spirit into your spirit. Simple. God now has a name, and that name is Jesus. Call His name and recognize Him as Lord "No one can say 'Jesus is Lord' except in the sSpirit". and you will be born again with God as eternal life, becoming your Father. It has to be realized experientially, subjectively.
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Message 41 of 41 (745155)
12-19-2014 10:51 AM
Reply to: Message 39 by PaulGL
12-18-2014 7:39 PM


Re: Why 'Creationism, et. al. is vain babbling
PaulGL writes:

My specific point was that a belief in the validity of evolution is not in any way a hindrance to someone receiving Christ as their Savior: by the Father embodied in the Son becoming the life-giving Spirit to enter into and become mingled with their human spirit.


The problem with your point is that evolution is a hindrance to somebody accepting Christ as their Saviour if they believe it's a hindrance. Their belief in the hindrance doesn't have to be any more rational than their belief in Christ, so you can't rationalize it away.
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