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Author Topic:   Relevance of origins to modern science
Pressie
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Message 54 of 124 (707408)
09-27-2013 4:39 AM
Reply to: Message 53 by Ra3MaN
09-27-2013 3:18 AM


I'm not too sure why you wrote this:
Ra3MaN writes:
I can't say that I will give up on my beliefs just yet. I will however try to test what I believe. The name of the game is scrutiny... I think this arguments here will definitely make me better in the lab too.
Are you under the impression that you have to give up your religious beliefs when accepting scientific theories? Is that what you mean by it? Is it your opinion that you can be either religious, or accept scientic theories? Not both?
If you do; you don't have to feel that way.
Did you get your information from creationist websites? Don't.
From my experience, a very, very large percentage (more than half) of the scientists in our country are religious (mostly Christian, but with a smaller number of Muslims and Hindus and Sikhs). Yet, they accept scientific theories such as the Theory of Evolution, Big Bang, etc.
The very, very small percentage of religious scientists who reject those theories (I've personally only met one of them in this country in my entire life) who reject those theories do it because of very fundamentalist Churches imported from the US.
The mainline Christian Churches either accept those theories or have not officially expressed any opinion on it.
It's OK to be a Christian or Muslim and accept scientific theories. You don't have to choose.

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Pressie
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Message 56 of 124 (707413)
09-27-2013 6:53 AM
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09-27-2013 5:04 AM


Ra3Man writes:
Yes.
I'm not too sure why a false dichotomy impresses you so much at all.
Ra3Man writes:
How can you support the argument that a Creator did it,...
It doesn't seem as if those many religious scientists have a problem with accepting the theory of evolution , the Big Bang, etc. and a creator.
Ra3Man writes:
... as well as the argument that nothing did it?
I've never, ever seen any scientist making the argument that 'nothing did it'.
The closest to it was Hawking in 'A Universe from Nothing'. However, he defined what he meant with 'nothing'. And it had nothing to do with the theory of evolution.
Ra3Man writes:
... I think this is an entirely new topic though...
Yes, but what you wrote in the initial topic didn't make any sense.

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Pressie
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Message 57 of 124 (707414)
09-27-2013 6:58 AM
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09-27-2013 5:04 AM


Ra3Man writes:
I can only say that I can't hold both views in equality,....
It doesn't seem to bother all those scientists who do that too much.
Ra3Man writes:
I tend to believe the one and test the other with extreme prejudice.
Scientific theories are not believed, they are accepted. It seems as if you are confusing the words' belief' and 'accept'. They're not the same.
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Pressie
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Message 78 of 124 (707666)
09-30-2013 7:15 AM
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09-30-2013 2:00 AM


Ra3MaN writes:
I wouldn't argue that the age of the earth would discredit a extra-dimensional Creator.
The age of the earth does provide empirical, verifiable evidence that a creation only a few thousand years is incorrect. It doesn't discredit an extra-dimentional creator at all. Just that the earth formed billions of years ago.
Ra3MaN writes:
However, to say that there is no extra-dimensional creator since science refutes the existence of a God is a more of statement that I would base my thought on.
Where does science refute the existence of a God or Gods?
Science can refute certain claims made by some varieties of religions, such as an earth made a few thousand years ago. That's been shown to be completely incorrect by every one of the natural sciences.
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Pressie
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Message 87 of 124 (707774)
10-01-2013 4:47 AM
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10-01-2013 2:30 AM


I did read your message 83.
Your answer doesn't make any sense to me, as such a very, very large percentage of religious scientists in our country do hold those views simultaneously. Nearly all of those religious scientists do.

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Pressie
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Message 88 of 124 (707775)
10-01-2013 4:57 AM
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10-01-2013 2:29 AM


This one is weird. Maybe first read up on something before you write it down here?
Ra3MaN writes writes:
.....so there is no difference between the theistic and Atheistic believer
Theists are believers (Judaism, Muslim, Christian, Zorochastrian, Hindu, Satanist, etc) , while atheists are disbelievers in a God or Gods.
Making stuff up, Ra3MaN, they way you want it to be, won't get you anywhere on this forum. It just makes your ideas seem to be pretty silly.

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Pressie
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Message 93 of 124 (707780)
10-01-2013 7:24 AM
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10-01-2013 7:08 AM


Ra3Man writes:
These are entirely off topic.....I singled out scientific hypothesis. What about moral standards held between atheists e.g. lying, stealing, polygamy etc. What about speaker preference? Activities? Drugs? sexual orientation? Education? violence?
You introduced it to this forum. It's got nothing to do with atheism. Atheists just don't believe in the existence of a God or Gods. That's it.
Ra3Man writes:
Doesn't being Atheist mean that you can hold you own e.g. moral standards, as a result of there being no God?
Nope. The only thing atheists have in common is that they don't believe in the existence of a God or Gods. That's it.
Ra3Man writes:
Won't this impact how you see everything else?
Nope. Athiests don't believe in the existence of a God or Gods. That's it.
Ra3Man writes:
What do you think an Atheistic world will look like? (maybe this should be a new topic...)
My opinion is that it would look very similar to the world we live in today. The difference would be that it would be without religious suicide bombers and other crazy people thinking that crazy religious ideas should be taught as 'science'.
But some people will still be ridiculously crazy. As now.
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Pressie
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Message 118 of 124 (707915)
10-02-2013 6:32 AM
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10-02-2013 5:03 AM


Ra3MaN writes:
I am from Cape Town, South Africa, I only recently moved up here. Therefore you are incorrect and I don't think you are qualified to diagnose me ...
Sure can. Your homepage is http://freehovind.com/watch-_4930240196747890104, you asked questions about 'angular momentum' (debunked literally millions of times) and you can't stick to the subject at all.
You're either a POE or a YEC (crazy as can be).

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