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Tangle
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Message 86 of 124 (707772)
10-01-2013 4:04 AM
Reply to: Message 83 by Ra3MaN
10-01-2013 2:13 AM


Ra writes:
Ok, you all are correct then. But I think the idea of God and science cannot be simultaneously held comes from the mouths of Lawrence Krauss and Richard Dawkins, etc., who combine their love for Science with a hatred for deity. They often attack the idea that God exists (Lawrence has eased off a bit though).
My reading of Dawkins is that he dislikes ('hates' is too emotive) many religions - but dislikes even more the delusional thinking that derives from belief. He also does not deny the possibility of deity. He also enjoys singing hymns.
As you may know, both of these people are prominent figures in the public eye and could likely be the source of most of the Atheist, Abiogeneisis views.
Now that's just plain wrong. All Dawkins has done is give a voice to views that already existed - he's not the founder of some atheistic sect. And what has abiogenesis got to do with atheism?
Does it really encourage free thinking to hold the same views as someone who has convinced you, without investigating yourself? Or is it not just indoctrination (for lack of a better word)?
These writers on atheism are simply putting there views out in a way that hasn't been done before. The world has got used to the spouting of the religious from every media for millennia - it's now seems a little taken aback that there can be people with other opinions.
Where's the inoctrination? Where are the atheist schools and churches? Where's the dogma, the institutions, the laws of the cult?

Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android

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Message 91 of 124 (707778)
10-01-2013 5:56 AM
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10-01-2013 5:15 AM


Ra writes:
that may be,
That is be.
but like you said he is a voice, and people follow
People who are interested in the subject follow his arguments. Most people couldn't give a flying fuck. Religious people however, are offended that his views are being expressed at all - that's what the fuss is about.
Aboigenisis is a belief that Atheists can hold.
Oh dear. Blue is a colour that atheists can like. Toast and marmite is a food that atheists can eat.
Look, atheism is the belief that God(s) do not exist. That's all - nothing else.
Abiogenesis is a scientific hypothesis on how life started. It has nothing whatsoever to do with atheism.
In my experience I have heard Atheists say that they couldn't care less about where they came form. Thus atheist could be more denominational then some of the major religions, due to the huge varieties of theories to choose from.
Your logic is in a total mess.
There are no denominations of atheists. I repeat atheism is the belief that God(s) do not exist. That's all - nothing else.
Now, atheists being all sorts of kinds of people will have all sorts of hypothesis - and none - for how life started, how the universe came into existence, but that's just people - they don't gather together into sects and fight with each other about it.
Please don't try to compare religious beliefs to scientific hypothesis - it's wrong-headed.

Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android

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Message 95 of 124 (707784)
10-01-2013 8:29 AM
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10-01-2013 7:08 AM


Ra writes:
I singled out scientific hypothesis. What about moral standards held between atheists e.g. lying, stealing, polygamy etc. What about speaker preference? Activities? Drugs? sexual orientation? Education? violence?
What about them?
People are the same the world over - good, bad and indifferent. Why should an atheist have a different view on drugs or stealing or anything else you can think of, except the existence or otherwise of god(s)?
Clue: they don't.
Now figure out why you think that an atheist can't have the same opinion about violence or education etc as a religious person.

Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android

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Message 113 of 124 (707815)
10-01-2013 11:03 AM
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10-01-2013 8:55 AM


Ra writes:
Maybe you could get, polygamist Atheists vs monogamist Atheists, Genocide approving Atheists vs non-... It may happen that the Harvard university Atheists can't get along with the Oxford University Atheists because of their University affiliation... I agree that Atheism won't change how the world came out, and yet there will still be conflict.
You can get atheists in all shapes and sizes - all they have in common is a non-belief in god.
Do you live differently from a religious person? I asked one Atheist about what keeps him motivated to do life. His answer: Personal fitness. Where as the religious or spiritual person would live according to the doctrine of their Belief. I would like to know what drives you to continue your existence? (if you want you can message me)
We're not a different species you know.
I live exactly like any other reasonably well behaved person, I live in a house with wife and kids and have a good job - oddly enough, I'm perfectly normal - I've never even raped anybody.
I'd like to continue my existence because it's a better choice than the alternative. I'm living a normal, reasonably contented life.
Why do you think I'm any different to you?

Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android

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