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Tangle
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Message 106 of 457 (707856)
10-01-2013 2:27 PM
Reply to: Message 98 by Faith
10-01-2013 1:33 PM


Re: Back on topic
Faith writes:
True, I didn't look closely at it, so apparently it IS just another fantasy chart based on sheer imagination. So much for that.
Ah Faith, you do provide endless hours of amusement - but really, you need to get a bit of a grip on reality before you disappear up your own fundament.

Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android

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Message 107 of 457 (707857)
10-01-2013 2:29 PM
Reply to: Message 105 by Diomedes
10-01-2013 2:22 PM


Re: Back on topic
Diomedes writes:
So by their logic, Noah was Australopithecus Afarensis?
Their "logic" is very fluid.
(Of course that chart is pure "fantasy", even though it's made up of real items - whereas the Flood story is very "real", even though there are no real items to back it up.)

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Message 108 of 457 (707859)
10-01-2013 2:55 PM
Reply to: Message 103 by ringo
10-01-2013 1:56 PM


Re: Back on topic
What YOU don't understand is that the ToE hasn't been "tested," it has merely been subjected to thousands of credulous ponderings that confirm it from sheer imagination. You are quite right that saying something is not support, which is what YOU guys do. What I've been doing on the other hand is pointing to confirmed FACTS in support of my POV.

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Message 109 of 457 (707860)
10-01-2013 2:57 PM
Reply to: Message 102 by Faith
10-01-2013 1:53 PM


where's the beef?
You have never stated any theory. If you did actually present a theory then perhaps you can provide a link to that message.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 110 of 457 (707861)
10-01-2013 3:00 PM
Reply to: Message 104 by New Cat's Eye
10-01-2013 2:07 PM


Re: Back on topic
Gosh the ToE is a "successful" theory, gosh, that must come as news to an awful lot of people.
The only reason it works, you credulous people, is because it CANNOT be tested. The unwitnessed PAST CANNOT BE TESTED, it is purely, always, and completely a matter of speculation. Speculation can be "confirmed" endlessly by people who believe it, they can cram all manner of data into it because there is no way to prove them wrong. There is NO objective way to prove any of it, that's why it is so successful. Poor deluded people.
Look, I've given FACTS in support of my position that you can't get "evolution" without reducing genetic diversity, it's something breeders and conservationists have to deal with IN REALITY all the time, and guess what, reducing genetic diversity means that eventually as creatures are engaged in evolving you run out of the stuff that fuels evolution. End of evolution. This is all about REAL FACTS, not imaginary charts and speculations that cannot be tested.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 111 of 457 (707862)
10-01-2013 3:08 PM
Reply to: Message 89 by Coyote
10-01-2013 12:37 PM


Re: Back on topic
There is very good reason to call the ToE "just a theory." All that has ever happened is the piling on of more and more credulity that "confirms" the original theory. There is no objective evidence for it. What evidence there is supports creationism just as well or better. You guys are caught in an amazing delusion and it's so convincing to you there's no way you'll even consider an argument against it. All you have to do is make up a NEW speculation to answer anything anyone says against the ToE. It's really an amazing exercise in self delusion. I really often wonder if it will ever be recognized or we'll have to wait until the Lord returns before any of the Toe Faithful will have the ability to see what's really been going on here.

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Faith 
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Message 112 of 457 (707863)
10-01-2013 3:10 PM
Reply to: Message 89 by Coyote
10-01-2013 12:37 PM


Re: Back on topic
Are any of you guys aware that the concept of "willful ignorance" comes from the Bible and refers to those who deny biblical truth? * That unfortunately applies also to those who are entangled in the lies of the ToE. You are accusing creationists of what you yourselves are guilty of.
*2 Peter 3:5-7, and in fact what is said here is that people are willfully ignorant specifically that God judged the world by Flood and will come again to judge it by fire. Interesting that THAT is what is said to be what is specifically denied, since it is so VERY specifically denied at EvC.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Theodoric
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Message 113 of 457 (707864)
10-01-2013 3:14 PM
Reply to: Message 111 by Faith
10-01-2013 3:08 PM


Re: Back on topic
There is very good reason to call the ToE "just a theory."
You have been spoonfed the information on what the word Theory means in science.
That you continue to equivocate the term shows a conscious effort to be dishonest. Either that or you are incapable of understand the most basic scientific comments.
Ignorance is only a negative if one is unwilling to remedy the situation and learn to remove their ignorance. You are either willfully ignorant or just a classic Liar for Jesus. Actually I think you are both.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Faith 
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Message 114 of 457 (707865)
10-01-2013 3:16 PM
Reply to: Message 113 by Theodoric
10-01-2013 3:14 PM


Re: Back on topic
I don't CARE about the official scientific meaning of the word because the ToE makes a complete mockery of science in every possible way including by insisting on such definitional niceties. Blech, disgusting. All the ToE is and ever was is a theory in the most basic meaning of that word, i.e., an idea that HAS NEVER BEEN PROVED, because it CAN'T be proved. Now object to the word "proved" as you always do. You don't care about truth, all you care about is pedantic distinctions.
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Message 115 of 457 (707866)
10-01-2013 3:21 PM
Reply to: Message 105 by Diomedes
10-01-2013 2:22 PM


Re: Back on topic
What a creationist sees upon looking at that chart, which is another piece of ToE fiction, is a collection of skulls, most no doubt human, some most likely ape and not human at all in the remotest sense, all of them our contemporaries at least within the last 6000 years. Sheesh you guys are credulous people. All it takes is a drawing of a bunch of skulls to "prove" the ToE to you.

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PaulK
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Message 116 of 457 (707867)
10-01-2013 3:22 PM
Reply to: Message 110 by Faith
10-01-2013 3:00 PM


Re: Back on topic
quote:
The only reason it works, you credulous people, is because it CANNOT be tested. The unwitnessed PAST CANNOT BE TESTED, it is purely, always, and completely a matter of speculation. Speculation can be "confirmed" endlessly by people who believe it, they can cram all manner of data into it because there is no way to prove them wrong. There is NO objective way to prove any of it, that's why it is so successful. Poor deluded people
Of course this is all wrong. We CAN test ideas about what happened in the past. For instance evolutionary theory predicted that we would find transitional fossils - and we did.
quote:
Look, I've given FACTS in support of my position that you can't get "evolution" without reducing genetic diversity, it's something breeders and conservationists have to deal with IN REALITY all the time, and guess what, reducing genetic diversity means that eventually as creatures are engaged in evolving you run out of the stuff that fuels evolution. End of evolution. This is all about REAL FACTS, not imaginary charts and speculations that cannot be tested.
However your argument relies on an assumption - a big assumption that you have no evidence for. The assumption that diversity cannot recover. We know that diversity can and does increase at the level of the genome. We have every reason to believe that the same applies at the level of the phenotype - especially given the timescales involved. We also know by your own admission that your theory is not compatible with an old Earth and old life - and we know that the Earth and life on it have been around for a very long period of time.
So there is no rational reason to accept your opinions.

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Theodoric
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Message 117 of 457 (707868)
10-01-2013 3:24 PM
Reply to: Message 112 by Faith
10-01-2013 3:10 PM


Re: Back on topic
Are any of you guys aware that the concept of "willful ignorance" comes from the Bible and refers to those who deny biblical truth?
Just because you find something in the bible that is tangentially relevant, you claim the concept comes from the bible?
The hubris is stunning.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 118 of 457 (707869)
10-01-2013 3:25 PM
Reply to: Message 117 by Theodoric
10-01-2013 3:24 PM


Re: Back on topic
The Bible is way older than the ToE and is a source of hundreds or thousands of quotations everybody uses. JAR has used this one many times here, and I'm sure he got it from the Bible, and just loves to turn it against creationists.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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PaulK
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Message 119 of 457 (707870)
10-01-2013 3:28 PM
Reply to: Message 111 by Faith
10-01-2013 3:08 PM


Re: Back on topic
Sure, Faith, When your Lord, Satan, turns up we'll all realise that we should have been worshipping you and your lies all along. Just keep on deluding yourself.

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Theodoric
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Message 120 of 457 (707871)
10-01-2013 3:29 PM
Reply to: Message 114 by Faith
10-01-2013 3:16 PM


Re: Back on topic
I don't CARE about the official scientific meaning of the word
Obviously you care about nothing that threatens your worldview. Instead you will keep you head in the sand and lie for jesus.
an idea that HAS NEVER BEEN PROVED, because it CAN'T be proved.
Maybe you you has even the most basic understanding of science you would understand why this statement does nothing to undermine TOE. I'd explain why but why should I waste my time on a troll like you.
You don't care about truth
Didn't you just say 3 sentences earlier?
I don't CARE about the official scientific meaning of the word
Wow!!

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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