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frako
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Message 16 of 86 (707754)
09-30-2013 10:19 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by ProtoTypical
09-30-2013 9:29 PM


Re: Come one come all
I would challenge you to go to Evolutionfairytale and try to engage in a debate. I give frako about 3 posts to banishment.

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So fare i managed 3 an no warnings yet i do admit i am trying to be as polite and nice as i can, even though i might get an ulcer because of it.


Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

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frako
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Message 17 of 86 (707756)
09-30-2013 10:28 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by Coyote
09-30-2013 9:42 PM


Re: Come one come all
Those who stay seem absolutely impervious to evidence.

Yea but we have superpowers too we can dodge bullshit!!!


Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

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ProtoTypical
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Message 18 of 86 (707757)
09-30-2013 10:30 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by Coyote
09-30-2013 9:42 PM


Re: Come one come all
Changing your mind can be difficult. Especially if you are not used to it. More than that is the fact that these are core beliefs held from childhood for most.

Talking about slipping into group think. You stop it by encouraging dissent and debate.

Still, all the people who are right usually end up on the same side .


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ProtoTypical
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Message 19 of 86 (707758)
09-30-2013 10:42 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by frako
09-30-2013 10:19 PM


Re: Come one come all
So fare i managed 3 an no warnings yet i do admit i am trying to be as polite and nice as i can, even though i might get an ulcer because of it.

Careful now, don't hurt yourself. Although injuries in the name of research are noble.

Give me a link I have to make sure that you are telling the truth.


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yenmor
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Message 20 of 86 (707771)
10-01-2013 3:38 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by ProtoTypical
09-30-2013 9:29 PM


Re: Come one come all
ProtoTypical writes:

I would challenge you to go to Evolutionfairytale and try to engage in a debate.


No, thank you. I value my sanity. It took me 5 months to convince my boyfriend that creationism and religion were bullshit. For lack of a better term, he came from a white trash family. (I can use this term because he uses it to describe himself and his family). What comes with such a background? (1) Religious fundamentalism, (2) belief in miracles and creationism, (3) ignorance, (4) misplaced self-importance, and (5) ego in the extreme. To this day, his family still think I play video game all day because I do programming and engineering design data crunching for my company. Heck, they still think he is wasting his time going to college right now. Last time we visited them, his mom asked him how were things and he said classes have been hard, etc. She then said, and I quote, "why don't you drop those classes?" That raised a red flag in me. It was hard enough for us to get him full scholarship to his school. And this woman who never finished high school was trying to give advice... They think education is a waste of time and that professional work like lab work and stuff in the technical fields are easy... if only they are given a chance to work in such fields.

The point is dealing with people on his side of the family has given me a unique perspective on how people from such background think. I can only stand them for a little while before I start losing my mind. Creationists online have an eerie resemblance to these folks I've been talking about.

So, no thank you.


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Tangle
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Message 21 of 86 (707773)
10-01-2013 4:12 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by frako
09-30-2013 10:19 PM


Re: Come one come all
Frako writes:

So fare i managed 3 an no warnings yet i do admit i am trying to be as polite and nice as i can, even though i might get an ulcer because of it.

I was banned without a warning - from memory, it took just over a week. I wasn't even told I'd been banned, I just turned up one evening and found that my 'posting privileges had been removed'. The equivalent of being disapeared.

So Good luck...


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Message 22 of 86 (707781)
10-01-2013 7:34 AM
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10-01-2013 4:12 AM


Come one come all
It's not worth even trying to have a rational conversation with crazy people.
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Message 23 of 86 (707797)
10-01-2013 9:49 AM
Reply to: Message 22 by Pressie
10-01-2013 7:34 AM


Re: Come one come all
t's not worth even trying to have a rational conversation with crazy people.

Surprise! There aren't three sane posters here! You've been conversing with crazy folks the whole time.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I believe that a scientist looking at nonscientific problems is just as dumb as the next guy.
Richard P. Feynman

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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Message 24 of 86 (707800)
10-01-2013 9:58 AM
Reply to: Message 20 by yenmor
10-01-2013 3:38 AM


Re: Come one come all
No, thank you. I value my sanity. It took me 5 months to convince my boyfriend that creationism and religion were bullshit. For lack of a better term, he came from a white trash family.

You must be oodles of fun to hang with. So you're a bit smarter than some other folks, are you? Trash as you say.

Your judgmental butt is no better than a fundamentalist.

Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I believe that a scientist looking at nonscientific problems is just as dumb as the next guy.
Richard P. Feynman

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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frako
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Message 25 of 86 (707812)
10-01-2013 10:49 AM
Reply to: Message 19 by ProtoTypical
09-30-2013 10:42 PM


Re: Come one come all
Careful now, don't hurt yourself. Although injuries in the name of research are noble.

Give me a link I have to make sure that you are telling the truth.

http://evolutionfairytale.com/forum//index.php?showtopic=...


Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.


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jar
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Message 26 of 86 (707814)
10-01-2013 11:00 AM
Reply to: Message 20 by yenmor
10-01-2013 3:38 AM


Re: Come one come all
For lack of a better term, he came from a white trash family

For precision the term should be "po white trash". Maybe you should look for a WASP?

I pity your boyfriend.


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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yenmor
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Message 27 of 86 (707816)
10-01-2013 11:16 AM
Reply to: Message 24 by NoNukes
10-01-2013 9:58 AM


Re: Come one come all
I'm sorry if that offended you. Normally I don't judge. And at no time did I even hint that I'm "smarter" than them. I'm just fortunate enough to have had been born into a different attitude in life.

To give you an idea. the mom is an alcoholic. Hasn't worked for 30 years. The dad is a mover and is always paranoid about the government taking away his guns and pitbull. They rent trailers and apartments, which they don't pay for half the time and get evicted. The 14 year old sister is refusing to go to school while the mom doesn't care and the dad is praising her decision. The 16 year old sister is pregnant. The parents kicked my boyfriend out when he was 15 because he was gay. And that's just the tip of the ice berg. Hint, there are scars on my boyfriend.

Just exactly how would you describe such a family?

I'm not an idiot. I'm not the smartest guy on the block either. I would describe myself as average. I'm just aware of my limitations. That might sound egoistic to you, which is fine.

Edit.

I know what I said ain't politically correct. It's easy for you to sit there and call me judgmental. You don't deal with folks like that directly.

And I'm not saying crazy folks only exist on the fundamentalist side. We have some pretty crazy folks here on this side as well. I used to be friend with this liberal guy who believed... let's just say he believes society should be more forgiving with murderers and rapists, as in he didn't believe in incarcerating them.

Edited by yenmor, : No reason given.


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Message 28 of 86 (707817)
10-01-2013 11:39 AM


po white folks
Jar, et al. I think you are reacting to quickly to the phrase "white trash". It sounds like a non-PC but useful shorthand to get the point across.
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jar
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Message 29 of 86 (707819)
10-01-2013 11:53 AM
Reply to: Message 28 by NosyNed
10-01-2013 11:39 AM


Re: po white folks
Oh, I have no problem with the term "po white trash" , it's been part of my lexicon for as long as I can remember. I do have a problem with reformers.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 30 of 86 (707820)
10-01-2013 11:56 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by ProtoTypical
09-30-2013 9:29 PM


Re: Come one come all
ProtoTypical writes:

There is the problem of dogpiling in some cases.


Actually, I think dogpiling is a good thing from the minority point of view. They can say they're too busy to answer everybody. They can choose to field only the grounders. They can complain about the posters who are less polite.

It's an ideal situation to claim you were shouted down - as opposed to a place like EvolutionFairyTale where they have to ban the minority because the majority can't keep up.


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