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Author Topic:   Creationist = Anti-Environmentalist?
petrophysics1
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Message 16 of 111 (426143)
10-05-2007 12:25 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Nuggin
10-04-2007 2:28 PM


I haven't noticed a relationship between religious affiliation and environmental concerns. For instance most people in the PRC are atheists and they don't give a crap about the environment. I've personally been north to south across China and saw this myself.
I don't think you can equate the belief that global warming is manmade to environmental concern. Some people may have strong environmental concerns but not believe the manmade component of global warming is significant or serious. That doesn't mean they wish to trash the planet.
At the link I'm posting there is a graph at the top of delta O 18 which corresponds to temperature covering the last 2.6 million years. Could you explain the cyclic nature of global temperature ( particularly over the last 650,000 years) and how these obviously natural occurrences fit in with your model that present global warming is largely manmade?
Oops! - archaeologists, botanists, civil engineers, geographers, geologists, soil scientists, zoologists, - Quaternary Research Association
Historically from about 1000 to 1350 AD it was possible to grow wine grapes in Europe 300 miles further north than today (the English had a thriving wine industry rivaling the French) and Vikings were farming in Greenland. By 1425 every Viking in Greenland was dead along with 50% of the population of Iceland. Could you explain how this past warmer than today period and following cold period fits in with your model for present global warming being largely manmade?
Also I'd be interested in your stats showing a correlation between environmental concern and belief in largely manmade global warming and the correlation of those two to religious affiliation. Or was this just some anecdotal crap you were blowing by us?
Edited by petrophysics, : typo

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petrophysics1
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Message 18 of 111 (426155)
10-05-2007 12:51 PM
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10-05-2007 12:42 PM


From the OP
Thoughts? Refutations?
Your comments?

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petrophysics1
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Message 23 of 111 (426165)
10-05-2007 1:55 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by Nuggin
10-05-2007 1:31 PM


Re: China is a Red State but not a Red State
What I'm talking about is why there is a correlation between people who believe that the world was created 6000 years ago, and people who believe that getting 3 miles to the gallon is perfectly reasonable.
I understand this is your assertion, but you've provided no evidence that it's true. Do you have any kind of study, other than your personal opinion, showing the environmental concern or lack there of, of YECs?

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petrophysics1
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Message 25 of 111 (426173)
10-05-2007 2:33 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by Nuggin
10-05-2007 2:04 PM


Re: the big survey
So basically you're telling me you have no evidence for your assertion. Why not just say so.
Look! I don't know ANY YECs. I have no idea what they think as a group or individually for that matter. Almost everyone I associate with is a geologist, geophysicist, engineer(EE,CE or PE) or biologist. Although they all have environmental concerns, only some of the biologists express concern about global warming. None are YECs but other than that they run the entire spectrum of religious beliefs.
You say YECs have no environmental concerns, so prove it.

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petrophysics1
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Message 26 of 111 (426175)
10-05-2007 2:41 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by Kitsune
10-05-2007 1:51 PM


Re: Creationists on the plunder
DO NOT RESPOND TO THIS OFF TOPIC MESSAGE(just to beat admin)
Linda Lou,
I want you to notice the difference between how your and Catholic Scientists anecdotal evidence was treated in the poltergiest thread and how Nuggins and others assertion about YECs based on anecdotal evidence is treated here.

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petrophysics1
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Message 38 of 111 (426236)
10-05-2007 6:13 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by Nuggin
10-05-2007 2:57 PM


Re: the big survey
Yet you doubt what I and others on the thread have reported seeing. You want me to present some survey confirming this, as though I personally, since yesterday, funded and conducted a nationwide survey from my own pocket.
Yes, I do doubt it. It is anecdotal at best. I have asked you again and again and again to show me some evidence.
You have not. Any study, almost anything in a scientific framework that shows YECs have no or little environmental awareness or a desire to keep the world in good shape will do.
For the fifth time, I think, please show me your evidence!

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petrophysics1
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Message 40 of 111 (426240)
10-05-2007 6:39 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by crashfrog
10-05-2007 6:24 PM


Re: Creationists on the plunder
Sure. It's all just coincidence that the Earth is warming at the exact same time that human CO2 production exceeds multiple Mt. Pinatubo eruptions every single year, and at the exact same time that the sun is in a decade-long period of cooling.
Crashfrog, I need an exact reference which verifies each part of this statement.
Thanks
P.S. Please make sure it is a scientific one not some media BS

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petrophysics1
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Message 42 of 111 (426249)
10-05-2007 7:27 PM
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10-05-2007 6:40 PM


Re: Creationists on the plunder
You ought to be suspended for this and not just because it's off topic

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petrophysics1
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Message 47 of 111 (426258)
10-05-2007 8:16 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by crashfrog
10-05-2007 6:24 PM


Re: Creationists on the plunder
a single example of a left-wing authoritarian has never, to my knowledge, been found.
How about Joe Stalin, or Mao, or Pol Pot
Crashfrog, you impress me. At one time you were a born again Christian going around telling everyone about how you were enlightned and had everything figured out. I'll bet you pushed that on everyone you met.
Now, thank God, you're an atheist who goes around telling everyone about how enlightened you are now and have everything figured out. Are you still pushing it on everyone? Looks like it to me.
Why don't you tell me about how you are DIFFERENT now.

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petrophysics1
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Message 51 of 111 (426268)
10-05-2007 9:13 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by crashfrog
10-05-2007 8:36 PM


Re: Creationists on the plunder
I have no idea what you're talking about, and neither do you.
Sure you do.
I just said there is no difference between the Crashfrog born again Christian nut bag and the "NEW" Crashfrog atheist nut bag.
You just traded one belief system for another.
If you don't think so just look through your 14,000+ posts

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petrophysics1
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Message 57 of 111 (426277)
10-05-2007 9:43 PM


Where's the beef
I am still waiting for someone to supply me with a scientific study showing YECs have no environmental concerns/want to trash the earth.
As has been established here on EvC I am not interested in your anocdotal evidence.
Before I can comment I have to see the evidence that YECs hate the environment.
I'm tired, but I don't give a shit if this goes on for 20 years, You will either provide me with the data, or say it was anecdotal BS.
Edited by petrophysics, : typo & grammer

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