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Jaf
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Message 107 of 179 (718638)
02-07-2014 10:30 PM
Reply to: Message 105 by RAZD
02-07-2014 10:29 PM


Re: Ape-tooth monkeys
I don't have letters after my name as an excuse for intellectual immorality
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Message 108 of 179 (718639)
02-07-2014 10:35 PM
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02-07-2014 10:29 PM


set theory
Just because someone invents a classification doesn't mean I belong to it, you blokes can't agree on what a freakin species is yet.

It's how set theory works as a way of seeing if things are related.

We can apply the same system in genetics.

It's the simple basics of cladistics.

Something else you are likely ignorant of ... yes?


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Message 109 of 179 (718641)
02-07-2014 10:43 PM
Reply to: Message 104 by Jaf
02-07-2014 10:27 PM


Re: Ape-tooth monkeys
No your point is pretty clear. You claim that we see commonalities between various species because they were all designed by the same being. You claimed it was something human manufacturers do. My point is that human manufacturers do this because they are limited in resources and imagination. Supposedly your god is without limits, so why would he get lazy and reuse design elements?

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Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
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Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
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Message 110 of 179 (718642)
02-07-2014 11:10 PM
Reply to: Message 107 by Jaf
02-07-2014 10:30 PM


Gap-toothed creationists
I don't have letters after my name as an excuse for intellectual immorality

No you are doing very well all on your own. I note that the topic here is

Why "YEC" Creationism is BAD for America

And you just keep proving that creationism is bad, intellectually and morally stunted.

Keep it up. I couldn't hope for a better example.


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Jaf
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Message 111 of 179 (718643)
02-07-2014 11:28 PM
Reply to: Message 109 by DrJones*
02-07-2014 10:43 PM


Re: Ape-tooth monkeys
Listen pal, you think everything we behold happened by at least 100 trillion chance accidents circa 13,7 billion years ago, that makes you completely whacked out of your gourde in my opinion, it certainly doesn't make you a scientist, science fiction comedian yes.
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Jaf
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Message 112 of 179 (718644)
02-07-2014 11:31 PM
Reply to: Message 110 by RAZD
02-07-2014 11:10 PM


Re: Gap-toothed creationists
You sir are what I call an academic prig. Running of to lunatic politicians whining for creation to be banned, stark raving lunatic is what you are.
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Message 113 of 179 (718645)
02-07-2014 11:36 PM
Reply to: Message 111 by Jaf
02-07-2014 11:28 PM


Re: Ape-tooth monkeys
well that was a lovely attempt at an argument.
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Jaf
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Message 114 of 179 (718648)
02-08-2014 12:08 AM
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02-07-2014 11:36 PM


Re: Ape-tooth monkeys
Oh is that what you wanted, people who want to argue haven't made ther minds up yet, I want a holy jihad. Lol.
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Jaf
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Message 115 of 179 (718649)
02-08-2014 12:15 AM
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02-07-2014 11:10 PM


Re: Gap-toothed creationists
To be fair with you RAZD you are obviously passionate about your beliefs, I would like evolution teaching banned as well but it's a free world dude.
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Jaf
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Message 116 of 179 (718651)
02-08-2014 12:22 AM
Reply to: Message 98 by RAZD
02-07-2014 6:50 PM


Re: Gap-toothed creationists
You started the ad hom iif I recall when you insulted my intellectual capacity to understand your beloved religion, hey, just like atheists can read the bible and then wipe their asses on it, we can read "science " too.
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Message 117 of 179 (718653)
02-08-2014 12:52 AM
Reply to: Message 95 by Jaf
02-07-2014 6:36 PM


Re: Ape-tooth monkeys
How do I explain that bones are similar in species? Lol, we'll we know how you explain it and it's patently ridiculous

You didn't provide an answer to my post.

Why are the bones so strikingly similar among all the primates?

And please provide some detail to your answer. This is a Science Forum, so supporting one's position with evidence is appropriate.


Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein

How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein

It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle

If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1


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Jaf
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Message 118 of 179 (718654)
02-08-2014 1:18 AM
Reply to: Message 117 by Coyote
02-08-2014 12:52 AM


Re: Ape-tooth monkeys
The forum is evolution verses creation and creation itself my friend, whether you like it or not based on all observations we know off would suggest something created it, and the more amazing the creation, the more intelligent we assume the creator, further more, all science we know of would suggest that big bangs create big messes, not things of wonder and beauty, so dont come off with "this is a science forum" please, I would expect a scientific creationist model to be welcome here as a part of the so called debate, if not, kindly remove the word creation from the title of your little science club and I dare say intelligent folk like me will stop turning up.

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Message 119 of 179 (718656)
02-08-2014 2:08 AM
Reply to: Message 118 by Jaf
02-08-2014 1:18 AM


Re: Ape-tooth monkeys
If you do have an actual scientific creation model, then do please present it forthwith.

If, however, you wish to present a form of lawyer Wendell Bird's travesty (DWISE1'S CREATION / EVOLUTION PAGE: The Creation Model), then do please try again with something at least remotely valid.

This is indeed a science forum. Please look at the chain:

quote:
EvC Forum ⇒ All Forums ⇒ Science Forums ⇒ Creation/Evolution Miscellany ⇒ Why "YEC" Creationism is BAD for America

It says right there that this is a science forum. If there is any part of that that you still do not understand, then do please post the appropriate question.

If you do not understand basic cosmology described as "Big Bang" -- a disparaging moniker that gained popular usage -- then feel free to ask and become informed.

... intelligent folk like me ...

Sorry, but you have posted far more than ample material to indicate otherwise.

Your bad.


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Jaf
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Message 120 of 179 (718664)
02-08-2014 6:36 AM
Reply to: Message 119 by dwise1
02-08-2014 2:08 AM


Re: Ape-tooth monkeys
Oh I see it's a science forum, you scientists aren't very nice people as far as I can tell and you all seem to think you are so very very smart, tell you want, since you all like to remind me how inept I am, why don't you tell me wtf the creationist model is, huh, throw me a freaked bone here einstiens, or can I call you Albert. I'm getting mightily unimpressed with the attitude of you science fiction comedians one of your brothers told me privately there are a lot of nice people here and I should stop stirring shit. Lol. Evolution versus creation, is that the name of this skull humping dive or not, yeah, I think it is, wtf is the creation part then, ???"??????????"?????????? Anyone? Also is creation forced in schools in yank land or not and if so what sort of creation and if not what the hell is bad for yank land again? Hey I'm not a scientist, help a monkey out

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Jaf
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Message 121 of 179 (718665)
02-08-2014 6:59 AM
Reply to: Message 108 by RAZD
02-07-2014 10:35 PM


Re: set theory
I learned a new word from your esteemed leader, called gish galloping, smarty pants told me to google it, it means, "sorry you have presented far too much evidence in this thread and if we let it though we are basically stuffed, so sorry we aren't going to post it, is that cool with you?" Then he closed by saying now if you don't mind I'm off to do some actual work that people pay me for, yeah that's from the lovely chap who runs the show here, scientists, lol.

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