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Shield
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Message 16 of 46 (711950)
11-24-2013 6:20 PM


Be proactive, use NoScript and Adblock+ so this kind of shit never happens again.
    
ProtoTypical
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Message 17 of 46 (711976)
11-25-2013 7:46 AM


Thanks for the replies.

yenmore writes:

If a person isn't technical enough to recognize it for what it is and thought the popup came from this site, then he's not going to be able to remove the damn thing(s).

Theodoric writes:

Has nothing to do with EVC.

My research indicates that these programs are activated by the site that is being displayed. This has been my experience as well. Is that not the case?


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Message 18 of 46 (711986)
11-25-2013 9:35 AM
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11-25-2013 7:46 AM


Some of them are pretty smart now
ProtoTypical writes:

My research indicates that these programs are activated by the site that is being displayed. This has been my experience as well. Is that not the case?

No, this is not the case.

It used to be the case, and still is for most general ones... but not all ones anymore.

It doesn't really matter what the thing is called ('malware', 'virus', whatever...).
This particular thing is affecting your PC and will be called up at random intervals of you using your internet browser.

You may be able to uninstall it.
But it will come back (perhaps from some registry entry where it can re-install itself).

You may be able to uninstall it and delete the registry entry.
But it will come back (perhaps from some .cab file that runs and edits the registry on the startup of your internet explorer or even the operating system).

The good news... it sounds like it's just a pop-up and not really doing anything "bad" (like deleting/corrupting files or eating up your hard-drive space).
The bad news... you may not be able to get rid of it.
The possibly more good news... do try the things peeps suggest (like different mal-ware removal tools). Who knows, you may get lucky and one may understand the exact thing on your computer and remove it completely.

It's also possible that the thing on your computer is "kinda new" and malware tools may be able to remove it at some point in the future after they get a chance to identify it and update their removal tools.

They're sneaky. And annoying.
Formatting your hard drive and starting over will definitely remove it. But this is usually pretty annoying in itself. You'll lose all your drivers, and have to re-install all software on your PC again. It can take a few days to get "back to normal." If you're going to try this, make sure you know what you're doing and have all your original operating system licence codes and such.

You may be able to use this as an excuse to get a new PC, even
Not that anyone else will pay for it (no warranty would cover this sort of thing)... but it helps for personal justification if you happened to have wanted one anyway... and the existing one is old... and your wife is nice


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Message 19 of 46 (711994)
11-25-2013 11:45 AM
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11-25-2013 9:35 AM


try ubuntu
another reason not to use windoze

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Message 20 of 46 (712038)
11-26-2013 7:43 AM
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11-25-2013 9:35 AM


Re: Some of them are pretty smart now
Well I could certainly use a new computer. I am on a 10 yr old laptop with half the letters worn off the keyboard. I cleaned out the cooling fan the other month and got about an ounce of nicotine soaked dust out of there. I was a little surprised that it hadn't burst into flames yet. I keep a beer close by at all times in case I have to extinguish any unwanted combustion.

Generally I prefer old familiar things over shiny new things. It seems to me that they both have problems. In the past I had always resisted updating anything because mostly all that happened was they moved the fucking buttons around after I got used to the old ones. I do keep my browser and security updated.

Anyway thanks for the advice, I will root it out.


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Message 21 of 46 (712039)
11-26-2013 7:48 AM
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11-26-2013 7:43 AM


Re: Some of them are pretty smart now
I think Malwarebytes was mentioned upthread, and I like it, too. Here's a thread at the Malwarebytes website that provides a record of a user removing YieldManager:

removing yieldmanager

--Percy


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New Cat's Eye
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Message 22 of 46 (712047)
11-26-2013 10:24 AM
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11-26-2013 7:43 AM


Re: Some of them are pretty smart now
In the past I had always resisted updating anything because mostly all that happened was they moved the fucking buttons around after I got used to the old ones.

Then you better stay the fuck away from Windows 8.

I use Windows 7 and am really happy with it. They really nailed it with the Search function. You know, the one in the Start Menu.

If you want to change something, like your mouse pointer speed, you just start typing 'mouse pointer speed' in the Search box and it comes right up with the settings for exactly that.


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Message 23 of 46 (712049)
11-26-2013 10:38 AM
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11-26-2013 7:43 AM


Re: Some of them are pretty smart now
ProtoTypical writes:

I am on a 10 yr old laptop with half the letters worn off the keyboard.

Chances are, you could find a more advanced machine (can do everything you're current laptop does, but faster and lighter) for about $100 to $200 from Walmart.
But... if you did that, it would probably break in a year or so... 'cause it's from Walmart.

Even "good, new laptops" for $400-$700 will be hit-or-miss for lasting 4-5 years.

Anything over $1000 doesn't mean it's built to last either... it likely just means it has fancier video-card equipment or solid state drive technology or something else that has a decent chance of not lasting more than 3 or 4 years anyway.

"They don't make 'em like they used to"

Generally I prefer old familiar things over shiny new things.

If you like what you have, I would advise sticking with it as long as possible (although it sounds like that time is coming, unfortunately). All computers eventually malfunction. It's just what happens.

Percy's suggestion seems like it may be promising in removing the issue.
You can start on page 1 at the post marked "Posted 03 June 2013 - 04:27 AM" by Psychotic
Although, I'd try reading through it first if I were you.

I don't understand why he created the "fixlist.txt" file a few posts after that.
Likely those are locations he thinks may be causing the issues.
Something in the log files jumped out at him and I don't personally understand what or why (but I wouldn't, either... this isn't exactly my sort of thing).
If you create the same log files, and the things in that list are located in your log files as well... then I would assume that you should include the same things.

However, if your log files don't include certain things in that list... then I would guess that you shouldn't include them (may cause an error when the script is ran).

The one 2437DF07D3CB4D858397ED8AE9ED26D5.TMP file may be different per machine, though... that would be tricky if it's something you're supposed to have in that fixlixt.txt file... but hopefully it just shows up in your logs too. Then there's nothing to worry about.

Hopefully your understanding of the log files and the procedure he's trying to do is better than mine?

Good luck.


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Theodoric
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Message 24 of 46 (712056)
11-26-2013 11:13 AM
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11-26-2013 10:24 AM


Re: Some of them are pretty smart now
Windows 8 has refined the search even more.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.


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Message 25 of 46 (712059)
11-26-2013 11:25 AM
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11-26-2013 11:13 AM


Re: Some of them are pretty smart now
Windows 8 has refined the search even more.

IF you can find it!


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Message 26 of 46 (712062)
11-26-2013 12:31 PM
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11-26-2013 11:25 AM


Re: Some of them are pretty smart now
Right hand side of screen move mouse up and down and pops right up. Can't get much easier.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.


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Message 27 of 46 (712063)
11-26-2013 12:39 PM
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11-26-2013 12:31 PM


Re: Some of them are pretty smart now
The problem is that people are used to a big bright Start button on the bottom left. When newbs first start using Win8, there's no indication that you're now supposed to be using the edges and corners to get stuff to show. Its not at all intuitive.
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Theodoric
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Message 28 of 46 (712064)
11-26-2013 12:47 PM
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11-26-2013 12:39 PM


Re: Some of them are pretty smart now
When newbs first start using Win8, there's no indication that you're now supposed to be using the edges and corners to get stuff to show. Its not at all intuitive.

Yes there is. The first time you start up with a new computer or an update, it shows very clearly on screen how to do it. Also, as with anything new there is a level of personal responsibility to learn how things work. Intuitive is such a copout. What people claim as intuitive in an OS is actually what they are used to. A windows user does not feel IOS is intuitive and vice versa. If MS had stayed with the old "intuitive" OS they would have died very quickly. Now they at least have a chance to be relevant going forward.

One month of use and Win8 seems "normal".


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.


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Message 29 of 46 (712067)
11-26-2013 4:27 PM
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11-26-2013 12:47 PM


Re: Some of them are pretty smart now
Intuitive is such a copout.

Saying intuitive is a cop out, is itself a cop out.

OS's have intuitive features and they have non-intuitive features.

A big button with the word "Start" on it, is intuitive. Using invisible sections of the edge of the screen is not.

A windows user does not feel IOS is intuitive and vice versa.

I'm a Windows guy and I never used iOS until my work got me an iPhone. I thought it was intuitive.

One month of use and Win8 seems "normal".

I was responding to a guy who wrote:

quote:
Generally I prefer old familiar things over shiny new things.

...

In the past I had always resisted updating anything because mostly all that happened was they moved the fucking buttons around after I got used to the old ones.


I pretty sure after 5 minutes of Win8 he's going to be disheartened, especially given that not only did they move the buttons, but they made them invisible and in a completely non-intuitive location.


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Message 30 of 46 (712098)
11-27-2013 6:16 AM
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11-26-2013 10:38 AM


Re: Some of them are pretty smart now
Chances are, you could find a more advanced machine (can do everything you're current laptop does, but faster and lighter) for about $100 to $200 from Walmart.

That is remarkable. If I recall correctly I paid about $2800 for this one back in 2004. It has a 40 GB drive.

Hopefully your understanding of the log files and the procedure he's trying to do is better than mine?

Yet another case of unwarranted optimism Its all gobbledygook. You would think we could teach these machines to speak english by now.


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