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Author Topic:   The smoldering of EVC
Stile
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Message 66 of 168 (715213)
01-02-2014 11:39 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Bolder-dash
12-30-2013 9:13 PM


Smoldering?
Bolder-dash writes:
It is with a certain amount of glee that I watch the now complete decline of a website that once purported to be an inclusive forum for rational debate concerning evolution and creation.
This thread itself has over 60 posts in less than 4 days.
It was even over the holidays. I try to read here as much as possible, but even I didn't see this until it already had pages of posts.
It makes me wonder what "complete decline" actually entails...
As we can now clearly see, that no longer exists, although in reality it never did, it just was a better illusion before, because they had topic names that actually looked like places where people could debate.
What names for thread titles would you prefer?
  • Evolution vs. Creationism
  • Why Creationism is true
  • When Evolution attacks!
    ?
Personally, I don't like those sorts of threads at all. That debate was over in the '70s when it started ('60s? ...older folks than me will know).
It's just wrong. But some people will believe in wrong things... that will never go away.
I prefer titles like these:
  • Is religion good for us
  • Do we need God
This sort of debate may not ever have an ending. I don't think one side here actually is "better" in any objective way. I think people are different and different people will need different things. Some will need religion and others will need atheism. Maybe. Maybe not. It is interesting, though.
And, yeah, as the original EvC debate crops up in the news every now and then... we'll still note it here. But you are right, Creationists are becoming fewer and farther between. I don't think that's because of this forum, though. I think that's just because most people don't like to be wrong for their entire lives.
Thanks for adding to the diversity!

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Message 93 of 168 (715301)
01-03-2014 10:20 AM
Reply to: Message 89 by jar
01-03-2014 1:36 AM


Nemesis
Fucking lite beer.
No, you don't get any capital letters, bitch.
One day I'll get you, and your little dog, too.
Edited by Stile, : The "dog" is non-alcoholic beer

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Stile
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Message 147 of 168 (822156)
10-20-2017 8:59 AM
Reply to: Message 144 by Phat
10-20-2017 7:58 AM


Re: The smoldering of EvC
Phat writes:
I wonder if we are still smoldering?
As in... the webpage is dying?
Maybe, maybe not. I think Percy has the ability to trend such things as # posts/day or /month if you're really interested, though.
Still seems to going on about the same level it was 4 years ago, as far as I can tell.
Which, to me, is best described as "very active" (as far as my personal experience with other forums goes, anyway).
Based on such anecdotal information, not only is EvC "not smoldering" now... it never was in the first place. The OP here was just complaining as kids do.
Is an eruption imminent?
As in... are we about to get an explosion of new posters/more activity?
Possibly, I guess.
I don't really see a trend for such a thing either, though.
I think it will continue on as it's always continued on... being "very active" and the topics will drift between religious/scientific/political/moral/evolution...
Seems to be no end of ideas to keep talking about, anyway, as life generally creates new aspects/angles/viewpoints as we move along.

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Message 163 of 168 (824924)
12-05-2017 11:07 AM
Reply to: Message 161 by Phat
11-21-2017 4:31 PM


Re: The Future Of EvC
Phat writes:
We all know that the forum is no longer growing, but do you specifically track such data anymore?
Huh, I didn't know that.
But, as you say, Percy's the one with such data. Whatever that data says must be true.
Improve the quality of our topics. I am paying better attention to how I respond. The overall goal is to have a neat and tidy archive...as much as possible.
I think this is a great point, and we should all try to take under advisement.
Clean up the archive.
Great idea!
Eliminate threads that went nowhere, never got off the ground, or were spam.
Wait, what?
The spam I agree with. And I think Adminnemooseus does a fairly good job at this already?
But anything else... I'd rather deal with what someone considers a "dirty archive" rather than that same someone deciding exactly when/where/how things "went nowhere" or "never got off the ground."
Only topics with 5 replies or less? What if one of those 5 replies is really good? Who gets to decide if something is "really good" for everyone?
No replies? What if the topic itself is worth stating, but not worth replying to? Who gets to decide if something is "worth stating" for everyone?
Simply in the line of "open discussion" think nothing should ever get deleted.
But, if you have some idea on how to organize existing things, without deleting them... I don't see an issue with that.
One issue would be judging the trash from the stash. Its not easy to do.
No, not easy at all
The most honest approach (in my experience) is to keep everything and let everyone else decide what is trash or not for themselves.
Of course, if you have an idea on how to organize it, then that sounds like it has potential.

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Stile
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Message 167 of 168 (824943)
12-05-2017 2:18 PM
Reply to: Message 166 by RAZD
12-05-2017 1:31 PM


Re: The Future Of EvC
RAZD writes:
I think one set of threads you can get rid of would be the proposed new threads when they are promoted -- the promotion post says "moved to ___" but in reality it is just copied.
Are you sure?
I'm really asking, because I don't know.
It's quite possible you're correct, it is the basic answer.
However, it certainly is possible to code the display-and-database software in such a way that it looks like this, and the data is not "copied" in any way. Simply using different pointers for different portions of the data in different locations. (One section only points to the beginning data, where another section points to all the data). It would appear copied to the user... but in reality it is not.
There would still be the additional "data" to hold the extra pointers... but this is negligible when compared to storing the "data" for copying the text.

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