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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.4 |
RAZD writes: If both are the biggest experiences in a persons life and they have done what they can do to maximize it, then I see them being equal in value. Groooan. Okay, lets play this game . . . You (RAZD) are a school history teacher. Kinda fed up with kids, and looking forward to retirement, (just giving your character motivation). You want the kids to study famous explorers this week. You have the opportunity to get one of two people to give a speech to the class. One of them is recently ressurrected Sir Edmund Percival Hillary, first man to summit Everest. The other option is a broccoli salesman (and recent comatase patient) named John Smith. Based on their experiences, which do you choose? And Why?
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1425 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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You (RAZD) are a school history teacher. Kinda fed up with kids, and looking forward to retirement, (just giving your character motivation). You want the kids to study famous explorers this week. You have the opportunity to get one of two people to give a speech to the class. One of them is recently ressurrected Sir Edmund Percival Hillary, first man to summit Everest. The other option is a broccoli salesman (and recent comatase patient) named John Smith. Based on their experiences, which do you choose? And Why? Well the kids would be most interested in the zombie, if I can go by pop culture information. What is your objective selection criteria? Edited by RAZD, : .by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.4 |
RAZD writes: Well the kids would be most interested in the zombie, if I can go by pop culture information. (Why do I get the feeling everyone in this thread has been gaslighting me?) Gaslighting - Wikipedia [Dronester steps up on a soapbox, a flute in the background is heard] Americans have been thoroughly indoctrinated by our government and media that we americans are exceptional. We have been taught that even if america made poor choices and 'mistakes' in the past, america has ONLY strived for freedom and justice. This indoctrination has been most successful with the uninformed, the less-traveled. I strongly believe if more americans would travel we would have less comic-book-mindsets to the world's problems. We'd also believe that our government is not always a loving parent that looks after us and should not be trusted in every action it takes. So even though it may appear that I have been de-riding 'mere' 'tourists' in over-crowded bus tours, I want to make clear every citizen's curiosity is needed to be fed and encouraged. How else to counter the inbred onslaught of corporate media and government's propaganda? I implore, get yourself a passport, go west (young man), go east, go south, go north. Whether at the base of Everest or the summit of Everest, you probably will come back with something far more valuable than just novel conversations. [steps down from the soapbox] [NSA agent jabs a poison tipped umbrella into dronester's calf. Dronester TRAVELS to a undisclosed foreign rendition site. Oh, the irony]
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ringo Member (Idle past 432 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
dronester writes:
That isn't "measuring the quality of their experiences"; it's choosing the one that's appropriate to this week's curriculum. If we were studying "experiences" in general, the recently-comatose Mr. Smith might be the better choice.
Based on their experiences, which do you choose?
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ringo Member (Idle past 432 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
dronester writes:
And the same is true of a bus trip to Mount Rushmore with thirty senior citizens.
Whether at the base of Everest or the summit of Everest, you probably will come back with something far more valuable than just novel conversations.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8527 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
"Yeah, but Honey this one's eating my popcorn!"
Aaha ha ha ha ha!
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.4 |
RingO writes: If we were studying "experiences" in general, the recently-comatose Mr. Smith might be the better choice. Excellent choice Ringo, I am sure Mr. Broccoli can regale the children in wonderful and spine-tingling tales on nothingness. Kudos.
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ringo Member (Idle past 432 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
dronester writes:
So you presume to know everything about Mr. Smith's experiences getting into a coma and getting out of a coma. If you knew as much about Mr. Hillary as you claim to know about Mr. Smith, you wouldn't need either one of them.
Excellent choice Ringo, I am sure Mr. Broccoli can regale the children in wonderful and spine-tingling tales on nothingness.
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.4 |
RingO writes: So you presume to know everything about Mr. Smith's experiences getting into a coma and getting out of a coma. If you knew as much about Mr. Hillary as you claim to know about Mr. Smith, you wouldn't need either one of them. I wonder if we can prevail upon Mr Broccoli to show a 180 page powerpoint presentation of his epic journey. Each screen . . . black. I just hope we aren't overstimulating the children.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8527 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
OK. That one didn't work. How bout this one.
"Is the bar tender here?" Aaaha ha ha ha ha! Ohhh, that's a good one!
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ringo Member (Idle past 432 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
dronester writes:
So you really don't have anything to say? I wonder if we can prevail upon Mr Broccoli to show a 180 page powerpoint presentation of his epic journey. Each screen . . . black. Being the first - or the fortieth - to the top of Mount Everest doesn't automatically make you an interesting person. Yes, yes, a thousand times yes, somebody who has been through a coma may actually be more interesting than somebody who has stood on top of a rock. What led up to the coma? Was Mr. Smith a hero or a fool or a victim of circumstance? What are the after effects of the coma. What blocks of his life does Mr. Smith recall and which does he not? Or, you could have Mr. Hillary standing in front of the class saying, "Um... well... I guess so.... No, not really.... Sometimes...." Who has a "more rewarding" experience with the Mona Lisa? The "traveller" who hitchhikes to Paris to see it in person or the janitor who scrubs the floor in front of it every day?
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1425 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
or is the 'bar' armed ?
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.4 |
RingO writes: So you really don't have anything to say? Well first of all, . . .
quote: THAT's funny. I mean, c'mon, that's using my "A" material Ringo! Get Oni's opinion if you doubt me. Someone needs to elect that post as post of the month, TODAY!!! (Cast aspersions on my concept of humor, will ya. [dronester shaking fist]) And secondly, how about, "careful ringo, if you strain any harder to make any more contrived scenerios, you'll burst a blood vessel." RAZD suggested, regardless of experience, hiring the zombie speaker because that may very well play better to today's Hollywood-influenced children. Oooookay. How's this . . . Mr. Broccoli should bring along a talking, flying dog side-kick. Eh? Eh? The dog could wear a cape. The kids will LOVE it!!! I STILL stand by my argument:
quote: If you want to continue arguing that the experiences of a comatose person CAN be just as rewarding as a person who climbed Everest, be my guest.
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ringo Member (Idle past 432 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
dronester writes:
It may or may not "be" funny. Humour is subjective, just like the "value" of people's experiences. In this context it would be "good" humour if it supported your argument - but it doesn't.
THAT's funny. I mean, c'mon, that's using my "A" material Ringo! dronester writes:
I'm not your guest; I'm Percy's guest - and I will continue to point out that your argument is nonsensical. You can not compare George's subjective experiences with Jim's subjective experiences. You can only compare George with George and Jim with Jim. If you want to continue arguing that the experiences of a comatose person CAN be just as rewarding as a person who climbed Everest, be my guest. If you have a valid argument, why don't you make it instead of dragging out your bad-taste "joking" about an unfortunate affliction?
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.4 |
RingO writes: In this context it would be "good" humour if it supported your argument - but it doesn't. Huh? I think it surely does. Brilliantly! Like a million suns.
RingO writes: You can not compare George's subjective experiences with Jim's subjective experiences. "Subjective"? When was that word weaseled into the argument? Where did you (Ringo) use SUBJECTIVE experience in these comparisons Message 56:
quote: RingO writes: If you have a valid argument, why don't you make it instead of dragging out your bad-taste "joking" about an unfortunate affliction? (Being in a coma is an affliction?) Okay, strike the coma patient (not literally, as I think I caused enough undue distress for all the comatose people out there reading this forum), let's use my penultimate example, the two-year-old toddler . . . You (Ringo) are a school history teacher. You want the kids to study famous explorers this week. You have the opportunity to get one of two people to give a speech to the class. One of them is recently ressurrected Sir Edmund Percival Hillary, first man to summit Everest. The other option is a two-year old toddler named Jane Smith. Based on their experiences, which do you choose? And Why? Edited by dronester, : : ) Edited by dronester, : wrong quoted person, sorry RAZD
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