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arachnophilia
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Message 202 of 342 (718825)
02-09-2014 12:56 AM
Reply to: Message 201 by Eliyahu
02-09-2014 12:09 AM


Re: The fossile record conclusively disproves evolution
Eliyahu writes:
Meaning that the fossil record, as is, does NOT agree with Darwin.
don't be ridiculous. the specimens that are represented do in fact agree extremely strongly with darwin.
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Darwin himself, .... prophesied that future generations of paleontologists would fill in these gaps by diligent search .... One hundred and twenty years of paleontological research later, it has become abundantly clear that the fossil record will not confirm this part of Darwin's predictions.
again, this is silly. darwin's book, on the origin of species by means of natural selection was published in 1859. the first complete skeleton of this thing was found in 1863:
it was so damned convenient that creationists at the time argued it must be a forgery.
seriously, this argument is totally ignorant of 150 years of paleontology. i don't have to go more than four years from darwin to find probably the single most dramatic example of a transitional species in the public eye, nevermind 120 years.

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Message 218 of 342 (718867)
02-09-2014 9:24 AM
Reply to: Message 206 by Eliyahu
02-09-2014 2:13 AM


Re: The fossile record conclusively disproves evolution
Eliyahu writes:
Then please explain why Darwin said ten or more times that the fossil record is incomplete.
because it was. and it is today as well, to a much lesser degree. unless the fossil record were to present every individual that ever lived, it would necessarily be incomplete. but we have far more species described than is necessary to piece together a nearly complete picture of the history of evolution on this planet. very few mysteries, "missing links" remain. some of those major apparent transitions, like non-avian dinosaurs to avian dinosaurs are extremely strongly represented.
archaeopteryx there is the oldest and most hotly debated example. there are 6 complete specimens of archaeopteryx. but we have five or six dozen examples of primitive birds that come after it, showing varying degrees of more avian adaptations (eg: fusing of the carpometacarpus from the manus, reversing of the hallux, beaks) and countless feathered theropods that come both before and after archaeopteryx presenting many avian adaptations initially thought to be unique to archaeopteryx and its descendants (eg: the furcula, pneumatized bones). feathers themselves are an interesting case, as we have an extremely wide variety of various developmental stages in the evolution of feathers, including feathered ornithischians with extremely primitive feathers, showing that they might go all the way back to the earliest dinosaurs. and we have crocodiles, the only other living archosaurs, that were somewhat recently found to have part of a primitive version of the avian respiratory system. living dinosaurs (birds) are easily identified as such by the skeletal formations that identify dinosaurs.
If it agreed extremely strongly with him, then why keep on saying that it is imperfect??
this may come as a surprise to you, but darwin's been dead a long time. he doesn't keep on saying anything.
also, this may come as another surprise, but paleontology was kind of new in darwin's time. they modern science paleontology began in the same century, and the term itself was first used only about 37 years before darwin's book. it was a new science, and they didn't know much at the time. we've come a long, long way in 150 years.

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Message 219 of 342 (718868)
02-09-2014 9:28 AM
Reply to: Message 215 by Percy
02-09-2014 8:31 AM


Re: The fossile record conclusively disproves evolution
Percy writes:
Like Darwin, Eldredge and Gould and all other paleontologists understand that the fossil record is imperfect. They're merely pointing out that we now have enough data from the fossil record to conclude that the sparsity of evidence of gradualism is not an artifact of sparse data but is actually real.
it's been a long time since i read these kinds of quote mines. quote darwin, eldredge and gould as if they disagree with themselves is an interesting tactic.

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Message 225 of 342 (718892)
02-09-2014 12:47 PM
Reply to: Message 220 by RAZD
02-09-2014 10:25 AM


Re: fossils and quotes, and the reality of evolution
RAZD writes:
Now lets put them in chronological order, complete with the missing parts of the quotes, to show how the view of evolutionary pace and action has changed over time, and how the fossil record shows evolution occurred.
how can we do that, if we don't have the complete writings of darwin, eldredge and gould?

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Message 226 of 342 (718894)
02-09-2014 12:49 PM
Reply to: Message 221 by Coyote
02-09-2014 10:45 AM


Re: The fossile record conclusively disproves evolution
Coyote writes:
When Darwin published in 1859, one Neanderthal fossil had been identified, and that was in 1857. We now have fossils from over 400 individuals.
I'd say that was an incomplete fossil record in Darwin's day, wouldn't you?
considering there must have been millions of living neanderthals, we have a long way to go!

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arachnophilia
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Message 251 of 342 (719049)
02-10-2014 6:55 PM
Reply to: Message 246 by RAZD
02-10-2014 4:39 PM


Re: Fossils easily demostrate evolution
RAZD writes:
Or that we can't figure out what picture this represents:
this is way, way less insulting than the time i asked randman to play connect the dots
Edited by AdminModulous, : edited subtitle; obnoxiously large on topic lists

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