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Author Topic:   Ratio of Deleterious Mutations to Beneficial Ones
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Message 31 of 35 (719461)
02-14-2014 8:56 AM
Reply to: Message 26 by Faith
02-13-2014 10:13 PM


Re: Selected against
The problem is that many deleterious mutations are NOT selected out; they produce genetic disease that a person may simply have to live with.

Your ignorance is beyond the ken of mere mortals. Despite debating about evolution for years, you are still asking for the definition of terms like deleterious and selection.


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Message 32 of 35 (719467)
02-14-2014 10:26 AM
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02-13-2014 10:13 PM


Re: Selected against
I think a general definition of a deleterious mutation is where the organism is less successful at contributing offspring to the next generation than it would have been without the mutation.

This means there are varying degrees of deleterious. A mutation that causes failure to live long enough to reproduce means the organism contributes no offspring to the next generation. A mutation that shortens the life of an organism means it has a reduced period during which it can contribute offspring to the next generation. A mutation that makes it less competitive means it would be less able to look after its offspring, or less successful at finding a mate. And so forth.

Humans provide a poor example of the effects of less severe deleterious mutations because of family and social group support and because of modern medicine.

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Message 33 of 35 (719471)
02-14-2014 10:39 AM
Reply to: Message 21 by Faith
02-13-2014 8:01 PM


Re: Neutral -- maybe not
It's all guesswork, isn't it?

No.

Seems to me I've seen threads where it's been affirmed by evolutionists that the vast majority of mutations are deleterious,

Then quote the posts.

You guys really don't know.

Yes, we do.

Between 80 and 90% of the human genome is accumulating mutations at a rate consistent with neutral drift. This is known.


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Message 34 of 35 (719476)
02-14-2014 10:49 AM
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02-14-2014 8:31 AM


Re: How dumb do you think we are?
Better, yet, Faith, learn how the vast majority of dilitarious mutations are culled from the human genepool.

Interesting, but not for topic reasons. bookmarked.


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Message 35 of 35 (719489)
02-14-2014 1:19 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by Faith
02-14-2014 12:09 AM


Re: Neutral -- maybe not
I use the basic concepts, not the mathematics, and I'm not interested in learning any of the sciences to that extent, it would just be a waste of time. I take what makes sense on my model.

IOW, you are engaged in confirmation bias.
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