Understanding through Discussion

Welcome! You are not logged in. [ Login ]
EvC Forum active members: 120 (8783 total)
Current session began: 
Page Loaded: 08-23-2017 7:21 PM
368 online now:
Coyote, DrJones*, Faith, Meddle, Modulous (AdminModulous), NoNukes, Tangle (7 members, 361 visitors)
Chatting now:  Chat room empty
Newest Member: evilsorcerer1
Post Volume:
Total: 816,870 Year: 21,476/21,208 Month: 1,909/2,326 Week: 364/881 Day: 82/107 Hour: 0/2

Announcements: Reporting debate problems OR discussing moderation actions/inactions

Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
Author Topic:   Introduction to Quantum Mechanics.
Son Goku
Posts: 1075
From: Ireland
Joined: 07-16-2005

Message 31 of 32 (742557)
11-21-2014 7:18 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by AZPaul3
11-21-2014 5:36 PM

Re: First set of notes.
It's like the quantum number for spin-up/down was reset during the spin-left/right test. (reset from "up" to "?", please excuse my layman's language)

Yes. The notes have not explicitly reached this point, but that is what will be developed next. Testing x-spin resets z-spin to "?". We say they are incompatible observables, they cannot both possess definite values. (This will turn out to be the origin of the uncertainty principle.)

Most of the mathematics really boils down to precisely quantifying the many forms "?" can take and getting quantitative predictions from it.

In the "B" experiment this detection of spin-left/right is not made and the result of the second up/down test yields 100% "up". Even though the beam in the spin-left/right apparatus is split into separate spin-left and spin-right paths (since the equipment is exactly the same, functions just the same (minus the detector)) the quantum number ("up") from the first up/down test block was not reset by the left/right test block.


The only difference between the setup of the original and "A" experiments and the setup of the "B" experiment is that the original and "A" detect the left/right split while "B" does not.

Exactly. Essentially eliminating anything but the detection process as the source of the difference.

This is a "Double Slit" experiment for electron spin, yes?

Yes, it is the direct analogue of the Double slit experiment for spin. The unfortunate thing about the double slit is that to describe it you need advanced mathematics (Hilbert spaces, complex-valued partial differential equations). However for spin, the mathematics is far simpler, vectors and matrices.

So in a layman's analogy (not totally accurate but close enough for some understanding) is saying ...

"When the spin-left/right paths are detected the quantum number for spin-up/down is reset to "?" thus allowing the second up/down test to spread the results among the quantum probabilities" ...


Actually that's totally accurate. We only need to develop an understanding of the "?" state, i.e. are there different types of "?", how do we describe them mathematically.
This message is a reply to:
 Message 30 by AZPaul3, posted 11-21-2014 5:36 PM AZPaul3 has responded

Replies to this message:
 Message 32 by AZPaul3, posted 11-22-2014 7:03 AM Son Goku has not yet responded

Posts: 3428
From: Phoenix
Joined: 11-06-2006

Message 32 of 32 (742568)
11-22-2014 7:03 AM
Reply to: Message 31 by Son Goku
11-21-2014 7:18 PM

Re: First set of notes.
Understanding is good. I like this.

I look forward to the rest of your class and thank you very much for doing this.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 31 by Son Goku, posted 11-21-2014 7:18 PM Son Goku has not yet responded

Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:

Copyright 2001-2015 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.0 Beta
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2017