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AZPaul3
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Message 286 of 293 (727148)
05-15-2014 6:43 PM
Reply to: Message 285 by NoNukes
05-15-2014 10:23 AM


Who's holding the gun?
From Planck intermediate results. XIX. An overview of the polarized
thermal emission from Galactic dust
, May 6, 2014

quote:
The cosmic infrared background (CIB) is due to emission from a large number of distant galaxies with random orientations and is expected to be, on average, unpolarized. However, it can contribute non-negligible emission at 353 GHz in low brightness regions of the sky and hence reduces the apparent degree of dust polarization.

From what I understand the BICEP2 team requested the CIB data for their patch of low brightness sky from the Planck collaboration some time ago but the Planck team had not been forthcoming. In this latest Planck report, with the above caveat added, that BICEP portion of the sky, along with others, has been masked out.

The BICEP2 team worked with what they thought was adequate data from an older Planck map that did not account for the above because the Planck folks did not reveal this caveat or their original data.

Being so familiar with the intricate details of their work the BICEP team feels there is enough to be confident about. If this thing does fall dead BICEP2 will get the blame even though (it could appear that) Planck pulled the trigger.

I could become a conspiracy nut on this.

oops ... Source PDF section 2.4, page 8

Edited by AZPaul3, : source

Edited by AZPaul3, : title


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Message 287 of 293 (737568)
09-27-2014 12:17 AM
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03-20-2014 11:51 AM


big bang found??
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Message 288 of 293 (737626)
09-27-2014 8:57 PM
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09-27-2014 12:17 AM


Update
big bang found??

Maybe the evidence described in this thread isn't...

http://resonaances.blogspot.com/

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As you already know, Planck finally came out of the closet. The Monday paper shows that the galactic dust polarization fraction in the BICEP window is larger than predicted by pre-Planck models, as previously suggested by an independent theorist's analysis. As a result, the dust contribution to the B-mode power spectrum at moderate multipoles is about 4 times larger than estimated by BICEP. This implies that the dust alone can account for the signal strength reported by BICEP in March this year, without invoking a primordial component from the early universe.

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Message 289 of 293 (737627)
09-27-2014 9:00 PM
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09-27-2014 12:17 AM


Update
duplicate

Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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PaulGL
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Message 290 of 293 (737708)
09-28-2014 5:44 PM


Genesis 1:1 = 'Big Bang'
If the Bible is the Word of God, then science cannot help but substantiate its validity- there should be no actual conflict between the two. The paramount question, for both "evolutionists" and "Creationists," should be: "Do evolution and Genesis concur?" In other words, is Genesis (particularly Chapters One and Two) an account of the evolutionary process, as we understand it?

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. (Gen. 1:1)

By faith we understand that the worlds have been framed by the word of God, so that what is seen hath not been made out of things which appear. (Heb. 11:3)

Now, in the inspired description or what took place in the beginning, the heaven and earth are not said to have been molded, fashioned, or made out of material, but to have been created (bara). For, whatever may have been the original meaning of the word bara, it seems certain that in this and similar passages it is used for calling into being without the aid of preexisting material. 142

Or, he may declare, "it is all very well to say there was a huge explosion at what we call the beginning; but what about prior to that time?" In one confounding form or another, rest assured, the question is an often-repeated one.
Unfortunately, there is really no good answer to it....
In truth, in direct response to the question, all that can safely be said is that after the beginning things were different from what they were before. That's the best we can do; we will just have to leave it at that.143

As we have seen, the Scriptural account that God created the heavens out of nothing- that at a certain point time and space began whereas they had previously not existed- has been substantiated by the "big bang" theory, which has been verified by concrete, scientific evidence.

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Message 291 of 293 (737711)
09-28-2014 6:01 PM
Reply to: Message 290 by PaulGL
09-28-2014 5:44 PM


Re: Genesis 1:1 = 'Big Bang'
time and space began whereas they had previously

I don't think you thought this bit through. Think about what previously means when you're taking about time beginning.


The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53

The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286

Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134


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Message 292 of 293 (737961)
10-02-2014 8:17 PM
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03-18-2014 9:21 AM


The creation of humans has nothing to do with the origin/formation/creation of the universe or whatever you wanna call it.
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Message 293 of 293 (737984)
10-03-2014 8:06 AM
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10-02-2014 8:17 PM


Welcome to EvC Forum
Hi Djufo,

Welcome to EvC Forum!

Tangle, the member you replied to, is well aware that human origins and the Big Bang are separate topics, but his post was about the Big Bang, not human origins. This thread is in the Big Bang and Cosmology forum - threads discussing human origins can be found over at the Human Origins and Evolution forum.


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