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Faith 
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Message 16 of 96 (769965)
09-27-2015 12:15 PM


There are no doubt purely superstitious responses to eclipses and other natural events due to crowd hysteria that we can well do without, but they have prophetic meaning in the Bible. You may of course dismiss it nevertheless.
This current series of blood moons that will finish tonight have all occurred on Jewish High Holy Days, starting with Passover 2014. The one tonight falls on the Feast of Tabernacles, or Sukkot in Yiddish, and this particular feast is often considered to be associated with Jesus' Second Coming, because its significance is "God dwelling among His people." The Spring and Summer holidays of Passover and Pentecost marked the founding of the Church, starting with Jesus' death on the Passover (as the pure and perfect Passover Lamb the Jews sacrificed every years on that date in commemoration of the night of exodus from Egypt) and followed up at Pentecost by the giving of the Holy Spirit. This gives reason to think events involving Jesus' return could very well be associated with the Fall holidays of Rosh Hashanah (or the Jewish New Year), Yom Kippur/Day of Atonement, and Sukkot/Tabernacles. All three have implications for the establishment of a new order of life which Jesus' second coming would bring about.
Scripture says "The moon will be turned to blood and the sun will not give its light" before the Day of the Lord, which is often understood to refer to both a solar and a lunar eclipse occurring in close proximity, right before Jesus' return.
Nevertheless we are not told when Jesus will come the second time and that we will not know, it's going to be sudden and surprising. Except that we ARE told to look for "signs" that it's close. It's pretty close.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 17 of 96 (769966)
09-27-2015 12:32 PM
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09-27-2015 12:15 PM


Faith writes:
It's pretty close.
Cobblers. It as supposed to happen within a generation of his death. It didn't and people like you have been proclaiming 'the end is nigh' for thousands of years ever since. It doesn't matter how much you pray for it Faith, it ain't going to happen in your lifetime.

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Message 18 of 96 (769967)
09-27-2015 12:37 PM
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09-27-2015 12:32 PM


Tangle writes:
...people like you have been proclaiming 'the end is nigh' for thousands of years ever since.
And Armageddon tired of it!

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Message 19 of 96 (769968)
09-27-2015 12:40 PM
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09-27-2015 12:15 PM


which is often understood to refer to both a solar and a lunar eclipse occurring in close proximity
Interesting, but of course, solar and lunar eclipses always occur in close proximity, almost exactly 2 weeks apart. First a solar eclipse during a new moon and then a lunar eclipse during the next full moon.

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Message 20 of 96 (769969)
09-27-2015 12:52 PM
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09-27-2015 12:40 PM


Well then that duo is to happen before the Day of the Lord.
ABE: The blood moons also usually occur on Jewish Holidays.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Faith 
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Message 21 of 96 (769970)
09-27-2015 12:54 PM
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09-27-2015 12:32 PM


It doesn't matter how much you pray for it Faith, it ain't going to happen in your lifetime.
Well then perhaps you are a prophet.

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Message 22 of 96 (769971)
09-27-2015 1:05 PM
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09-27-2015 12:52 PM


ABE: The blood moons also usually occur on Jewish Holidays.
Blood moons are full moons. Lunar eclipses only happen to a full moon -- that's a simple astronomical fact, like solar eclipses always being on a new moon.
The Jewish Calendar is lunar, with each month starting at the new moon. To my knowledge, many Jewish holidays start on the 14th of the month. 14 days after a new moon is a full moon.
What a "coincidence"!
{ABE} Now, if a blood moon were to happen on a Jewish holiday that did not fall on the 14th of the month, then that would indeed be a miracle.
Edited by dwise1, : ABE

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Message 23 of 96 (769972)
09-27-2015 1:09 PM
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09-27-2015 1:05 PM


Of course not; it was chosen to be that way. God appointed the times of the feasts of Israel and instructed them in how they were to be observed, so clearly He chose them in relation to the phases of the moon, and put them in the seasons of the blood moons.
Interesting astronomical information here though.
ABE: None of it is presented as miraculous, just as "signs in the heavenlies" to look for.
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Message 24 of 96 (769973)
09-27-2015 1:23 PM
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09-27-2015 12:52 PM


Faith writes:
ABE: The blood moons also usually occur on Jewish Holidays.
Are you just saying this or do you actually have a list of total lunar eclipses and Jewish holidays that you are comparing? Or are there just so many Jewish holidays that there will always be one when there is an eclipse?
I assume when you say occur on Jewish holidays you mean the exact same day, not the same week, or month?
ABE: I see Dwise1 already answered this.
Edited by Tanypteryx, : No reason given.

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Message 25 of 96 (769974)
09-27-2015 1:28 PM
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09-27-2015 1:23 PM


I just remember a pastor responding to the blood moon excitement with the information that there's nothing special about blood moons occurring on the Jewish holidays, that it's very common. Clearly the holidays were designed to occur at those times. How exact the timing is I don't know but I should be able to find the information easily enough.
Yes I guess I should just have referred you to dwise's astronomically interesting information.
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Message 26 of 96 (769975)
09-27-2015 1:30 PM
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09-27-2015 12:52 PM


Tanypteryx writes:
Faith writes:
which is often understood to refer to both a solar and a lunar eclipse occurring in close proximity
Interesting, but of course, solar and lunar eclipses always occur in close proximity, almost exactly 2 weeks apart. First a solar eclipse during a new moon and then a lunar eclipse during the next full moon.
Well then that duo is to happen before the Day of the Lord.
Well, that "duo" happens every six months of every single year. It would be like tying a prophecy to when the three stars of Orion's belt point to the star Sirius, which is always.
The orbital plane of the moon is inclined from the orbital plane of the earth (AKA "the ecliptic"). As you recall from jr-high geometry, two planes intersect along a line. The line where the earth's and moon's orbital planes intersect is the Line of the Nodes which always points in the same direction, though it does slowly shift due to precession.
In order for there to be an eclipse, the sun and the moon must be positioned on that Line of Nodes (the earth always is). Every six months, the earth's revolution around the sun brings the sun in line with the Line of Nodes. When that happens, we have a solar eclipse when the moon falls on the Line of Nodes at the new moon and a lunar eclipse when the moon falls on the Line of Nodes at the full moon.
Thus, every single year at six-month intervals we have at least two solar eclipses and at least two lunar eclipses. In addition, it is common for a lunar eclipse to be bracketed by two solar eclipses or a solar eclipse by two lunar eclipses. Of course, for us to observe any of those eclipses the shadows must lined up just right, so we don't observe all of them, but they do still occur with great regularity, in pairs and sometimes in triples, every six months of every single year.
You may as well tie the timing of a prophecy to a day when the sun rose in the east.

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Message 27 of 96 (769976)
09-27-2015 1:32 PM
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09-27-2015 1:30 PM


Except that apparently the Jewish High Holy Days were timed to coincide with those astronomical events. Passover and the Fall feasts are in fact six months apart. It's interesting to see all this in astronomical perspective.
ABE: And a TOTAL eclipse DOESN"T happen that frequently, so you are including partial eclipses, but this blood moon tetrad is all total eclipses.
ALSO, it isn't a BLOOD moon unless it IS total.
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Message 28 of 96 (769977)
09-27-2015 1:48 PM
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09-27-2015 12:15 PM


There are no doubt purely superstitious responses to eclipses and other natural events due to crowd hysteria that we can well do without, ...
Such over-reactions keep reminding me of what Mexican President Jos Lpez Portillo said in a 60 Minutes interview:
quote:
It's been a long time since we've worn feathers.
Apparently not quite long enough.

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Tanypteryx
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Message 29 of 96 (769978)
09-27-2015 1:53 PM
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09-27-2015 1:32 PM


but this blood moon tetrad is all total eclipses.
One of the things I read this morning is that the April 4, 2015 lunar eclipse was only total for 4.5 minutes, but someone recalculated it and it was not actually total at all, so this was not a tetrad. It seems like splitting hairs a bit, to me.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
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Message 30 of 96 (769979)
09-27-2015 2:12 PM
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09-27-2015 12:52 PM


Lunar loonies
Faith writes:
The blood moons also usually occur on Jewish Holidays.
WOW, since the Hebrews used a Lunar Cycle calendar imagine how strange it is for religious festivals to fall on special lunar events.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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