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Coyote
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Message 111 of 535 (730835)
05-05-2014 9:10 PM


Wrong (again)
The different times idea is an artifact of the Old Earth model; the Flood happened in about one year about 4300 years ago and maybe some day you'll bring your model into conformity with this truth.
Sorry, you are absolutely wrong (again).
We have a tremendous number of archaeological sites dating to that time period--I've examined probably over a hundred myself. There is no evidence of a large flood anywhere near that time period.
We have a number of great examples of DNA continuity from before that date to after it, with more being produced every week. I even have one from my own personal research, a link from about 5,300 years ago to a living individual in the same area. The mtDNA from Noah's female associates did not replace the older Native American mtDNA. That continuity alone disproves the flood idea at about 4,350 years ago.
You can quibble about dating all you want, but various threads on this site have shown your quibbles are wrong. The dating of those time periods is accurate and all the creationists' "what ifs" have not managed to change that.
As Heinlein noted, "Belief gets in the way of learning." You're the poster child for that concept.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
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Coyote
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Message 136 of 535 (730860)
05-09-2014 9:38 AM


In other words you can't even bring yourself to imagine what a worldwide Flood might do. Such as cover whole continents with very long waves during its rise or fall. Ah well, only to be expected.
A worldwide flood would break the continuity of mtDNA, with replacement from Noah's female kin's mtDNA.
We do not see this.
We see continuity of mtDNA across the 4,350 time period assigned to the flood. Its so easy to get that I even have an example from my own archaeological research. (I posted this upthread, but you ignored it.)
And don't quibble about the dating--that's a settled issue.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.

Coyote
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Message 155 of 535 (730879)
05-09-2014 10:44 PM


Bump for Faith
Since you are trying to ignore this, I'll repost it. Again.
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A worldwide flood would break the continuity of mtDNA, with replacement from Noah's female kin's mtDNA.
We do not see this.
We see continuity of mtDNA across the 4,350 time period assigned to the flood. Its so easy to get that I even have an example from my own archaeological research. (I posted this upthread, but you ignored it.)
And don't quibble about the dating--that's a settled issue.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.

Coyote
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Posts: 6117
Joined: 01-12-2008


Message 443 of 535 (731167)
05-23-2014 6:42 PM


Re: my summation
I'm not interested in your answers, they are all about TIME and time has nothing to do with this, that's just the box you all think in.
You should be very interested in time, as time has everything to do with the things we are all discussing.
You are trying to compress time by a factor of some 5000 to 50,000x from what everyone else has concluded so you don't just get to hand-wave it all away.
I answered your post clearly enough, try thinking outside your box for a change, I did give good reasoning for the Flood.
You have demonstrated time and again that it is you who can't think outside of the box. You are willing to ignore or obfuscate any data that disagrees with your religious belief.
You made yourself not just blind, but deaf and dumb besides.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.

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