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edge
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Message 1186 of 1304 (733154)
07-14-2014 12:28 PM
Reply to: Message 1182 by Faith
07-14-2014 12:11 PM


Re: Legoland
Another detailed photo from Siccar Point.
And the caption reads:
Hutton's unconformity at Siccar Point about 32 mi SE of Edenburgh, Scotland. Recent wave-cut platform surface revealing fist-sized chunks of the underlying Silurian greywackes enbedded in the overlying Devonian Old Red Sandstone rock. Such fragments of the much older graywackes in the basel conglomerate indicate long exposure of the eroding graywackes surface before the Red Sandstone was laid down.

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Message 1187 of 1304 (733155)
07-14-2014 12:36 PM
Reply to: Message 1186 by edge
07-14-2014 12:28 PM


Re: Legoland
Afraid the photograph is illegible, don't know what I'm looking at.
The greywacke section would have eroded because it's upended, exposing broken-off parts to the friction with the upper layer, the red sandstone, and that section isn't eroded, or is less eroded, because it would have presented a flat smooth surface to the lower layers.

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Faith 
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Message 1188 of 1304 (733156)
07-14-2014 12:44 PM
Reply to: Message 1130 by Percy
07-13-2014 4:48 PM


The important point that Moose and Edge and everyone are trying to get across to you is that the geologic column is not indefinitely continuous horizontally.
I know and it's irrelevant to my point.
In what other direction could it go if not upward? [/q]
What I meant was that it is not continuing upward from the Geo Column. Where it "goes" is not the point. It has to continue the Geologic Column and it can't do that except where the Geo Column exists AS a column.
Every region of the world, whether atop Mount Everest or at the bottom of the Mariana Trench, is a geologic column. It may be a stack of layers, or it may be bedrock, but each area, whether on a mountain top or at the bottom of the sea, has its own unique geologic column.
This is silly, this is gobbledygook. The Geologic Column IS a stack of horizontal strata, that is what it IS. If you want to say the Time Scale can continue anywhere that would be more reasonable because at least time doesn't stop (although it's so closely tied to the physical strata it really can't be separated), but physical formations can stop and the Geo Column has stopped wherever it is no longer a horizontal stack of layers but is eroded, buckled and so on.

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ringo
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Message 1189 of 1304 (733157)
07-14-2014 12:49 PM
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07-14-2014 12:44 PM


Faith writes:
...it's irrelevant to my point.
The problem is that nobody can figure out what the hell your point is.

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edge
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Message 1190 of 1304 (733158)
07-14-2014 12:50 PM
Reply to: Message 1187 by Faith
07-14-2014 12:36 PM


Re: Legoland
fraid the photograph is illegible, don't know what I'm looking at.
Of course not. This is a detailed photo.
What you are looking at is Old Red Sandstone on the right and Silurian graywackes on the left. There is a cobble of the graywacke within the sandstone. This shows that there was a period of erosion between the two units. That period is constrained to the period after the 425ma Silurian sediments and before the Devonian sandstone at 345ma.
If you read the caption, that would help. Or maybe not...
The greywacke section would have eroded because it's upended, exposing broken-off parts to the friction with the upper layer, the red sandstone, ...
I would find your explanation of the irregular surface and the presence of rounded cobbles to be interesting in that case.
...and that section isn't eroded, ...
No one says the sandstone is eroded (until now). It was deposited on the unconformity.
... or is less eroded, because it would have presented a flat smooth surface to the lower layers.
The surface is clearly not smooth as various photos and diagrams have indicated to you.
Here is a video of the unconformity with some close up images of the contact.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQzmfcUKSFM
Edited by edge, : No reason given.

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Message 1191 of 1304 (733159)
07-14-2014 12:52 PM
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07-14-2014 12:18 PM


Re: Legoland
For one thing there aren't any of those little nubbin holes available except on the true original horizontal surface.

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ringo
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Message 1192 of 1304 (733160)
07-14-2014 12:56 PM
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07-14-2014 12:52 PM


Re: Legoland
Faith writes:
For one thing there aren't any of those little nubbin holes available except on the true original horizontal surface.
So let's talk about ordinary wooden blocks, simple cubes with no little nubbin holes. What prevents me from stacking and restacking the blocks ad infinitum? How do the blocks even know whether they're being stacked on the "original" layer? And why would they care?

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edge
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Message 1193 of 1304 (733161)
07-14-2014 12:58 PM
Reply to: Message 1188 by Faith
07-14-2014 12:44 PM


I know and it's irrelevant to my point.
Actually, it is because it shows that the layers are not 'flat and continuous'.
What I meant was that it is not continuing upward from the Geo Column. Where it "goes" is not the point. It has to continue the Geologic Column and it can't do that except where the Geo Column exists AS a column.
Bu it does continue at another location.
This is silly, this is gobbledygook. The Geologic Column IS a stack of horizontal strata, that is what it IS. If you want to say the Time Scale can continue anywhere that would be more reasonable because at least time doesn't stop (although it's so closely tied to the physical strata it really can't be separated), but physical formations can stop and the Geo Column has stopped wherever it is no longer a horizontal stack of layers but is eroded, buckled and so on.
Yes, at those locations the geological column has stopped. At least temporarily. It has continued in other places.

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Message 1194 of 1304 (733162)
07-14-2014 1:03 PM


Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

  
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Message 1195 of 1304 (733163)
07-14-2014 1:04 PM
Reply to: Message 1192 by ringo
07-14-2014 12:56 PM


Re: Legoland
They'll fall off the curves, end up in the dips.

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ringo
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Message 1196 of 1304 (733164)
07-14-2014 1:09 PM
Reply to: Message 1195 by Faith
07-14-2014 1:04 PM


Re: Legoland
Faith writes:
They'll fall off the curves, end up in the dips.
Yes indeed, they will. It's called "erosion". That's how the surfaces get flat if they weren't initially deposited flat.
So, since you agree that I can deposit more blocks on top of the Block Column, what's your idea about the geological column "stopping"? The grains that make it up are just smaller versions of my blocks.

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Message 1197 of 1304 (733165)
07-14-2014 1:17 PM
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07-14-2014 1:09 PM


Re: Legoland

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Message 1198 of 1304 (733166)
07-14-2014 1:24 PM
Reply to: Message 1193 by edge
07-14-2014 12:58 PM


Actually, it is because it shows that the layers are not 'flat and continuous'.
Have to be or they aren't the Geo Column.
Bu it does continue at another location.
So everyone says but hasn't proved. Must continue AS the Geo Column and that doesn't happen.
... physical formations can stop and the Geo Column has stopped wherever it is no longer a horizontal stack of layers but is eroded, buckled and so on.
Yes, at those locations the geological column has stopped. At least temporarily. It has continued in other places.
Assertion assertion assertion, no reality.

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ringo
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Message 1199 of 1304 (733167)
07-14-2014 1:27 PM
Reply to: Message 1197 by Faith
07-14-2014 1:17 PM


Re: Legoland
So you have no intlligent response?
What's the difference? If I can put a block on top of the pile - even if it slips to a new location - why can't natural forces put a grain of sand on top of the pile - even if it slips to a new location?

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edge
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Message 1200 of 1304 (733168)
07-14-2014 1:30 PM
Reply to: Message 1187 by Faith
07-14-2014 12:36 PM


Re: Legoland
The greywacke section would have eroded because it's upended, exposing broken-off parts to the friction with the upper layer, ...
Faith, no matter how you bray on about it, that sandstone is not sheared by faulting along the unconformity, just as the Tapeats is not sheared in the Grand Canyon.

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